Michael Moore setting things right?

[Ranb]

I am watching the news now, it had a bit about Moore's new movie, 9/11. Does anyone here actually believe that this movie is a documentary? The small bits and pieces I have seen on the news certainly make it out to be rather one sided and political.

I also heard a sound byte of his going something like this. " If there is anything I want to do, it is to ensure that our soldiers in Iraq are not dying in vain." I can not think of a single thing that Moore could do to ensure our men and women in Iraq are not dying in vain. Opinions?

BTW, I do think Moore is a two-faced SOB, and his films suck.

Ranb

 

[American]

I am watching the news now, it had a bit about Moore's new movie, 9/11. Does anyone here actually believe that this movie is a documentary? The small bits and pieces I have seen on the news certainly make it out to be rather one sided and political.

I also heard a sound byte of his going something like this. " If there is anything I want to do, it is to ensure that our soldiers in Iraq are not dying in vain." I can not think of a single thing that Moore could do to ensure our men and women in Iraq are not dying in vain. Opinions?

BTW, I do think Moore is a two-faced SOB, and his films suck.

Ranb

Your dislike for him is good, but it's not strong enough. You are one of Them, in my view.

 

[Nasarius]

I love how you can judge a movie you haven't even seen. I have no idea if it's good or not; I had mixed feelings about Bowling for Columbine. I'm going to wait, see it, applaud Moore for what he did right (hopefully), and pick apart what he got wrong.

Here are some surprisingly positive comments from Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122680,00.html

 

[Charlie Monoxide]

This month Playboy has him as the interview. Good interview.

Charlie (what's the deal with the non-hirsute centerfolds?) Monoxide

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

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Your dislike for him is good, but it's not strong enough. You are one of Them, in my view.

From the perspective of a straight man who has actually dated a woman, you are one of "Them". (Hint: someone who enjoys the "company" of men)

 

[evilgoldtoesock]

A documentary can be both political and opinionated, and still qualify as a documentary. Take a course on the history of documentary films.

Also, Moore is, as always, including himself in the movie. It is obviously a movie about him and the situations he addresses, as opposed to just the situations themselves. He is not an "invisible" narrator by any means.

"Political?" Is that a magic word we apply to anything to disqualify it from serious consideration? Say, what if we had that same attitude towards other pieces of art that we have towards Moore's films?

cheesy example:
"Ohh, that painting, Guernica by that guy, Picasso? That's really just a piece of POLITICAL propaganda...."

One-sided? Well, yes, again it's a movie by Michael Moore, so of course it's a movie that takes his side on the issues.

Sorry, but as much as some people here want to, you can't just debunk Moore like you can some crackpot psychic. His arguments are effective and his films have artistic validity.

That said, he REALLY needs to lose some weight.

 

[American]

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From the perspective of a straight man who has actually dated a woman, you are one of "Them". (Hint: someone who enjoys the "company" of men)

Wow a woman. Not bad for 8 years out of high school.

I don't like men, lardass. I trick women into wanting me for a night, and then I don't talk to them again. That's what they get for only wanting sex without wanting to marry me.

And don't say I got issues-- I know what girls are about. It's the facts of life man. Pretty sad but that's the way it is you know.

 

[crackmonkey]

Hmmm... didn't Moore say he wanted lots more American soldiers to die in Iraq so we'd learn our lesson? Now he wants their deaths not to be in vain?
Interesting...

 

[peptoabysmal]

I can't comment on the movie yet. I haven't seen it, and I won't pay to see it, or rent it.

I did see Moore's rant on the Oscars and I felt that he was a two-faced piece of human garbage in that instance. I decided then and there he would never get any of my money.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

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Wow a woman. Not bad for 8 years out of high school.

I don't like men, lardass. I trick women into wanting me for a night, and then I don't talk to them again. That's what they get for only wanting sex without wanting to marry me.

And don't say I got issues-- I know what girls are about. It's the facts of life man. Pretty sad but that's the way it is you know.

So you admit you're a homo? And FYI, I've been with more women than you have even talked to.

 

[corplinx]

Apparently, the movie is poignant and funny. Its also a guilty pleasure.

We have a volunteer military yet Moore pie faced congressman by asking them to sign up their kids for Iraq. I don't understand why this is poignant to some people, it doesnt even make sense, but it still fun to see a congressman get pie faced.

One thing I don't grok is the "revelation" that Bush was forced to sit on keister and keep cool for 11 minutes while his staff got the details on the 9-11 attack.

Apparently, people are shocked that Bush sat there with a 1 million thoughts racing through his head instead of jumping up like a jackass and trying to lead like General McArthur. If I remember, government continuity says that in the event of an attack they bury him and Cheney. And they did, they shoved him on AF1 and kept him uptight and out of sight.

Somehow though, these 11 minutes are talking about by people as if there is something odd or revealing.

I will probably see the film, I will probably enjoy it like I did Bowling for Columbine. Is Mike Moore fair? No. But neither am I or you.

 

[The idea]

Hmmm... didn't Moore say he wanted lots more American soldiers to die in Iraq so we'd learn our lesson? Now he wants their deaths not to be in vain?
Interesting...

Michael Moore believes that it is unacceptable for any soldier to ever die. Who would have thought, going into the military, that there are serious risks involved? On the other hand, we all know that it is great fun for civilians to die in Sudan. Yes, it is great fun indeed.

 

[Ranb]

I love how you can judge a movie you haven't even seen. I have no idea if it's good or not; .........

I was just giving my opinion about the little bits and pieces I saw on the news. I do of course know I need to see the whole thing before I can say anything really meaningful about the movie.

As said above, the segment showing Moore questioning Congressmen about their sons lack of participation in the Army was rather strange. Knowing the US military is all volunteer, why should Moore try to talk a person into making their son or daughter join up? Interesting way to make a point I guess, but it just seems to be a good scene for dumb people.

Ranb

 

[shecky]

As said above, the segment showing Moore questioning Congressmen about their sons lack of participation in the Army was rather strange. Knowing the US military is all volunteer, why should Moore try to talk a person into making their son or daughter join up?

Sounds to me like a extension of the chickenhawk argument. In which case, I can see it being relevant.

 

[JAR]

I love how you can judge a movie you haven't even seen.

By that sarcastic remark, do you mean that you think that a person has to see a documentary or movie to find out how historically inaccurate it is?

 

[JAR]

I love how you can judge a movie you haven't even seen.

I'm amazed that many people think that they can determine how historically accurate a movie is simply by seeing it.

 

[evilgoldtoesock]

By the way folks, I'm all for the upcoming movie "Michael Moore Hates America." It will be great to have it released soon after Fahrenheit 9-11 to add further fuel to the Moore controversy...not to mention that I'm a fan of independent films.

Unfortunately, no documentary is unbiased when its subject is as broad as entire country at war.

Added:

Yes, politically-oriented movies are always a guilty pleasure. Sacrifices of accuracy are made for the sake of entertainment.

 

[Mr Manifesto]

By the way folks, I'm all for the upcoming movie "Michael Moore Hates America." It will be great to have it released soon after Fahrenheit 9-11 to add further fuel to the Moore controversy...not to mention that I'm a fan of independent films.

Unfortunately, no documentary is unbiased when its subject is as broad as entire country at war.

Added:

Yes, politically-oriented movies are always a guilty pleasure. Sacrifices of accuracy are made for the sake of entertainment.

It seems that some sort of chicanery is involved in any documentary making process. Those documentaries you see where the lion hunts down an ungulate of some type? Think about how that shot was set up. Did they track a lion for months on the off-chance it would do some hunting in daylight?

Let's say you're credulous enough to believe that. How about documentaries that follow an eagle flying in the air. Did they get someone on a hang-glider with a steady-cam to follow the eagle around?

What about in the days before steady-cam?


edit I know how to start spelling 'chichancery,' I just don't know how to stop.

 

[Skeptic]

Sounds to me like a extension of the chickenhawk argument. In which case, I can see it being relevant.

Moore, when sending his daughter to a posh private school, said publically that "sacrificing our daughter is too great a price to make the world better".

One wonders how he'll react if someone shoved a camera in his face and asked him to promise to send his daughter next year to school with the children of all those wonderful working-class and welfare parents, and not with the children of thosse heartless, awful corporate executives she goes to school with now.

In any case, at least historically, the sons of US Congressmen were highly overrepresented in the military, especially as officers, since in "important" families it was a point of honor for the sons to serve as officers in the armed forces.

 

[American]

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And FYI, I've been with more women than you have even talked to.

Only if you count the chunkies as 2 women, perhaps.