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Memorial flag ordered down

Jalok

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101021/ap_on_re_us/us_christian_flag_defenders

A war memorial in King, North Carolina has had it's Christian flag removed in response to a local complaint as well as a letter from the ACLU. This has resulted in a large pushback from the town and local veterans groups; Christian flags being flown everywhere, a 24 hour vigil at the memorial with a flag, and much wailing and gnashing of teeth at the townhall meeting.

The city council is consulting with it's lawyers for it's options; fight, keep the flag off and deal with the outcry, sell the land the memorial is on to a veteran's group.

From what I've read it seems that the first option is a dead one given previous court decisions regarding seperation of church and state. The second option, the current circumstances, is not politically viable for those in the current council given the vocal outcry which may push them to the other options even if, in the case of the first, it's a losing battle.

The last option is where I have a question. Selling the land and monument to a private party in order to remove the church/state link. I seem to recall a similar situation coming up before and it being shown to be an illegal sale because it's purpose was to circumvent the law, or perhaps a court decision had been involved to make things different.

Assuming you read all that, and got through the last sentence without going " huh?!", what say you? I think the previous situation had to do with that huge cross out in Nevada?, but don't have the time at the moment to look it up.

Jalok
First new thread, please be gentle :boxedin:
 
I think the folks making a fuss over this need to read their own book more often.

some book that seems to never be read (King James Version!) (Lets see who gets that reference) said:
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
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Also, I never realized there was a Christian Flag.
 
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there is NO SUCH thing, as a "Christian flag".

however, there is an RCC flag, an Anglican flag, and other specific church flags. but no flag just for Christianity.
 
Couldn't they just fly something like this?

unity%20religions%20flag.bmp


It's a bit longer than a normal flag but I can't think of anything that could be holier then invoking every religion you can think of!
 
Don't people have enough to worry about without whining about THIS?

Seriously, if this is an issue, put up more flagpoles, and invite other religions to fly their own flags, too. A particular religion is not endorsed, and everyone gets to say, "We served, too."

Sweet Freaking Hell, GROW UP, PEOPLE!
 
Galaxie said:
Apparently there is a so called Christian flag:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Flag

I have to say, I don't recall ever seeing one.
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I've never seen one. If it hadn't been designed by a yankee, I'd have thought it was inspired by the stainless banner. It does irritate be quite a bit when everything I attend involving veterans has to be mixed with a lot of religious BS.
 
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Jalok said:
The last option is where I have a question. Selling the land and monument to a private party in order to remove the church/state link. I seem to recall a similar situation coming up before and it being shown to be an illegal sale because it's purpose was to circumvent the law, or perhaps a court decision had been involved to make things different.
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If they make a closed, private sale to a particular group, previous court decisions have held that to be illegal. If they make a public auction to sell the land, one of "Them" might win.

Roadtoad said:
Seriously, if this is an issue, put up more flagpoles, and invite other religions to fly their own flags, too. A particular religion is not endorsed, and everyone gets to say, "We served, too."
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But that would involve admitting "Them" might be right. It's "Us" v "Them". If "Us" isn't unequivocally winning, that's as good as loosing.
 
There actually is a Christian flag. I grew up seeing it. Really it's the Protestant American Fundamentalist flag. I went to bunch of ACE (Advandced Christian Education) schools growing up.
 
Jalok said:
The last option is where I have a question. Selling the land and monument to a private party in order to remove the church/state link. I seem to recall a similar situation coming up before and it being shown to be an illegal sale because it's purpose was to circumvent the law, or perhaps a court decision had been involved to make things different.

Assuming you read all that, and got through the last sentence without going " huh?!", what say you? I think the previous situation had to do with that huge cross out in Nevada?, but don't have the time at the moment to look it up.
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Arm yourself with knowledge:

The Mojave Cross
Salazar v Buono
Text of the opinions (Warning: PDF)
A news story about the decision
 
Normal Dude said:
I think the folks making a fuss over this need to read their own book more often.



Also, I never realized there was a Christian Flag.
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My guess is it is the babtist.

Just checked, i think that is the babtist flag.
Yup, checked that, it is one of the babtist flags.

Ooops, I guess that is the christian flag, I have only seen it at babtist churches.
 
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There's a lame-looking Catholic flag you see sometimes. It's white and yellow, not a good combination for flags. It has the pope hat on it, or the crossed keys, or something. It's just a decoration, I don't think anybody takes it seriously.

It annoys me that these people think the American flag isn't enough to honor dead veterans, that they have to stick religion into it and imply that all the dead are either adherents to the same cult they are, or that the ones who weren't don't matter.
 
This is about 3 hours from where I live.

I'm sooooo tempted to drive there, set up a wooden pole or two or three with flags depicting different religions on there.
And yes, one would be the FSM since IPUs do not translate well onto flags.

It looks like there's names on a wall in the picture associated with the story. Again, really tempted to research all of those names and do my best to find out the religion of each...
 
C_Felix said:
And yes, one would be the FSM since IPUs do not translate well onto flags.
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Actually, there's an IPU on every single flag ever. People just tend not to notice them because of them being invisible. Which is how we know it's there!
 
C_Felix said:
This is about 3 hours from where I live.

I'm sooooo tempted to drive there, set up a wooden pole or two or three with flags depicting different religions on there.
And yes, one would be the FSM since IPUs do not translate well onto flags.

It looks like there's names on a wall in the picture associated with the story. Again, really tempted to research all of those names and do my best to find out the religion of each...
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I would recommend using the list of symbols that are approved by the United States Department of Veterans Affairs for use on tombstones. There are around 40 of them and they are listed here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ns_Affairs_emblems_for_headstones_and_markers

You can add FSM if you want but that is the official list that should be included at a United States memorial if any religious symbols are there.

I need to figure out a good way of arranging these symbols for a flag or drape that could be hung in place of a cross. I think it would be a much better representation of what those men and women fought and died for.
 
Eeeew! More of that fundie paranoia stuff. "By gawd, it's time we take a stand to prevent the erosion of our constitutional rights and religious freedoms." (I paraphrase, but not by much - check out the article in the OP.)

Why do these illiterate maroons speak without actually knowing the meanings of words? You don't have the freedom to make a public park into a testimonial for your pet belief! You do have the freedom, in my opinion, to speak of your beliefs in a public place, but it's not the same thing as commandeering the place and calling it yours and yours alone.

And as to erosion of constitutional rights? That's exactly what they're doing in trying to demand that a war memorial by dedicated to Christians. The constant corrupting of the U.S. Constitution continues.


Were there no native Americans, Jews, Muslims, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, Taoists, Free Thinkers, etc.... from King, North Carolina. And if they were, are the nice folks of King saying that they choose not to honor them at this memorial.
 
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