Materialism Wrong

[Dancing David]

http://www.freeworldacademy.com/spiritualodyssey/matwrong.htm

INTRODUCTION
In this lesson, we shall enter into the materialist fortress and destroy its core basis. We shall forget all the disputes about the mind-body relations and place ourselves in the best situation for the materialist theory: A mineral world without any living creature and any consciousness.
In this context our offensive is based on a logical approach: Materialism claims that all the reality comes up from matter. So, if we only find in this mineral world a single reality which does not belong to matter, it will prove that Materialism is a falsehood.

We shall use an argument coming back to Aristotle (1) and forgotten by our modern thinkers. As you will see, this argument is the absolute killer of Materialism!


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21-Aristotle argument
There are several and different categories of laws. We shall focus our analysis on some specific laws that assert a dependence between varying quantities measuring certain properties, as for example most of the chemical laws.
1-Let’s take the example of water. It is made up of two parts of hydrogen (H) and one part of oxygen (O). Water is not identical to H or to O, because when water disappears, O and H still exist. Moreover, water is not identical to any undefined mixture of H and O. So, what is the cause of water?
2-The cause of water is a ratio between the quantities of H and O into the mixture. Obviously, this ratio is a proportion. Aristotle calls it the formal substance or the "quiddity" of water.
3-So matter is made up of a material substance ( H and O) and of a formal substance ( The proportion ). Do you think that a proportion could be a piece of matter ! Obviously, a proportion as Aristotle said is immaterial.

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The cause is based on an immaterial proportion.
Aristotle designated by the word "formal substance" this immaterial proportion. In modern words, we have better to say that a proportion is just like an idea. Since we have agree that the laws existed by themselves and independently of of our mind, it becomes obvious that ...

materialism is wrong!

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Snore. This is exactly the sort of silliness that caused philosophers to replace materialism with physicalism. Yes, yes, concepts aren't material. Whoop-dee-do.

~~ Paul

 

[BrianSI]

"the materialist theory: A mineral world without any living creature and any consciousness. "

Umm .. that's a strawman.


ETA: Do I get a cookie? I've been studying my logical fallacies.

 

[hgc]

Aristotle knew water is made of hydrogen and oxygen? Is he talking about Aristotle Onassis?

 

[Dark Jaguar]

That's just flat out ignorant. Proportion? Um, no, it's the interconnection of the atoms that results in a molecule that has those properties. Proportion is only a descriptor. The connection is the reality.

Idiotic...

 

[Soapy Sam]

INTRODUCTION
In this lesson, we shall enter into the materialist fortress and destroy its core basis.
(Scuse me while I switch of the metaphorical mixer. Is that the "Royal We" by the way?)

We shall forget all the disputes about the mind-body relations (goody.)and place ourselves in the best situation for the materialist theory: A mineral world without any living creature and ("or" surely?) any consciousness.

In this context our offensive is based on a logical approach:

(Oh. It must be right then. Logical use of language describes reality. It's written on a rock somewhere.)

Materialism claims that all the reality comes up from matter. (comes up from? Arises from- we're dealing with translation by dictionary here, methinks).
So, if we only find in this mineral world a single reality which does not belong to matter, it will prove that Materialism is a falsehood.
( I assert that the absence of buses from Pluto disproves materialism).

We shall use an argument coming back to Aristotle (1) and forgotten by our modern thinkers. (Except by "We", presumably?)
As you will see, this argument is the absolute killer of Materialism! Is


…

21-Aristotle argument
There are several and different categories of laws. We shall focus our analysis on some specific laws that assert a dependence between varying quantities measuring certain properties, as for example most of the chemical laws.
1-Let’s take the example of water. It is made up of two parts of hydrogen (H) and one part of oxygen (O). Water is not identical to H or to O, because when water disappears, O and H still exist. Moreover, water is not identical to any undefined mixture of H and O. So, what is the cause of water? (Hey - that Aristotle was one sharp ancient Greek. He knew about Oxygen???)

2-The cause of water is a ratio between the quantities of H and O into the mixture. Obviously, this ratio is a proportion. Aristotle calls it the formal substance or the "quiddity" of water. (So that's where Dalton and Lavoisier pinched the idea. Aristotles "Treatise on Stoichiometry" (lost in the fire at Alexandria and surviving only in the library of the Prior of Sion)).

3-So matter is made up of a material substance ( H and O) and of a formal substance ( The proportion ). Do you think that a proportion could be a piece of matter ! Obviously, a proportion as Aristotle said is immaterial. (Oh, dearie me. Dearie, dearie me. I feel my whole worldview crumbling! I hear the squeak of shifting paradigms! What is to become of us?)

…
The cause is based on an immaterial proportion.
Aristotle designated by the word "formal substance" this immaterial proportion. (Quiddidity pro quo?)
In modern words, we have better to say that a proportion is just like an idea. Since we have agree that the laws existed by themselves and independently of of our mind, it becomes obvious that ...

(There exists an objective reality? )

In next week's lecture from first principles, we bring you "Perpetual Motion Generators- The Philosopher's Solution.



This is a spoof , right? Even Interesting Ian never wrote this sort of silliness.