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Mary Trump's Book

Stacyhs said:
I've said for a long time that he has a reading comprehension problem. That he would hire someone to take the SAT for him does not surprise me at all. What would be interesting would be to compare 'his' SAT score to his actual grades.
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The public should demand the long form transcripts.

And how big was daddy's donation to get him into Wharton? Which, by the way, is not the famous Wharton business school, which is a graduate program.
 
the book is free with an amazon audible subscription. guess I have to wait 7 days for it
 
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Bob001 said:
Edward Kennedy -- not JFK -- was expelled for cheating, and readmitted after he spent two years in the Army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy
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I know. But that 50 years ago. Frankly, if Trump was actually a genius I wouldn't care. I know the system works for wealthy. The frat a close friend of mine attended, that stuff was status quo. The rich kids would party and schmooze and then pay the smart kids at the frat to do their work for them.
 
seayakin said:
My guess it will have little impact on the election. His supporters will dismiss it and opponents will agree.
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It may help to keep the Obama-Trump voters from voting for Trump a second time. That's probably the only group it would impact.
 
acbytesla said:
I know. But that 50 years ago. Frankly, if Trump was actually a genius I wouldn't care. I know the system works for wealthy. The frat a close friend of mine attended, that stuff was status quo. The rich kids would party and schmooze and then pay the smart kids at the frat to do their work for them.
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The scandal isn't just that they did it, but that the profs allowed it, either knowingly or otherwise. Chances are admissions offices blink at shady stuff, too.
 
Bob001 said:
The scandal isn't just that they did it, but that the profs allowed it, either knowingly or otherwise. Chances are admissions offices blink at shady stuff, too.
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For undergraduate work? C'mon, at the big universities most of the profs leave grading papers etc in the hand of TAs who change regularly. It was easy for that stuff to happen in the 100, 200 and even sometimes in the upper level courses.

Frats routinely copy and keep tests for every class a brother might attend. They also kept library of papers for those courses.

And if that wasn't enough there was always someone out there to sell to you what you might need to get you into and through any college. Although getting a degree in the sciences is much harder to buy.
 
The thing about the SAT test is that an awful lot of people who would consider voting for Donald Trump have kids that had to take the SAT, many of whom were disappointed by the results. They had to take it themselves as well, but I think their experience of having a kid go through it is more significant.

Also, one reason that people vote for Trump is because he's rich, and if he is rich, he must be smart. Anything that chips away at that reputation is a good thing.

If it does, we won't be able to measure it, because it will just be one element in the castle made of sand that is Donald Trump. Now, if the Supreme Court could be nice and hand over his tax returns (indirectly, of course), and it could be proven that he's not such a hot businessman after all, we might get somewhere.
 
pgwenthold said:
The SAT take is named Joe Shapiro, the late husband of former tennis player Pam Shriver. He died in 1999
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Though this part seems a bit hard to verify. From WaPo:

Trump was friends with a young man named Joe Shapiro when he attended the University of Pennsylvania. If Mary Trump is referring to that person, he is deceased, according to Shapiro’s sister, Beth Shapiro. She said in a telephone interview that her brother did not meet Trump until they both attended the Philadelphia school, and thus, she said, the timing the book describes does not make sense. “My brother never took a test for anybody else in his entire life,” she said.

Reached by phone, Shapiro’s wife, former tennis star Pam Shriver, said her late husband never said he had taken a test for Trump, nor did she believe he would. “He would never, ever take tests for someone,” Shriver said. “He followed things to the letter. This is not my late husband.”
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Meadmaker said:
The thing about the SAT test is that an awful lot of people who would consider voting for Donald Trump have kids that had to take the SAT, many of whom were disappointed by the results. They had to take it themselves as well, but I think their experience of having a kid go through it is more significant.
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Trump supporters are more likely to send their kids to unaccredited Bible colleges, which don't require SAT's, just money.
 
phiwum said:
Though this part seems a bit hard to verify. From WaPo:
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Hmmm......

On the "dark cloud" side of things, if people believe Mary Trump is lying about the whole thing, then the true parts of her book will be dismissed, and Trump will be helped.


Just when you get your hopes up.....
 
wasapi said:
If those are the most shocking revelations she writes about him, I am disappointed. I can't imagine the book making him change the minds of Trump fans. It is like - what - some fans say, "Well, now I know that he cheated, I'm going to vote for Biden,"?
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It never was going to. But I don't think it ever needed to. Trump is going to lose this election unless he steals it somehow. And given the shenanigans in Kentucky, Alabama and Georgia, I'm pretty sure he's going to try.
 
Meadmaker said:
Hmmm......

On the "dark cloud" side of things, if people believe Mary Trump is lying about the whole thing, then the true parts of her book will be dismissed, and Trump will be helped.


Just when you get your hopes up.....
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This is why the Dems need to be very careful regarding how they handle this book. Even one factual error will be relentlessly attacked and could be used to try to discredit the rest.

Regarding Joe Shapiro, does she claim that the Joe Shapiro that was married to Pam Shriver is the same Joe Shapiro that she claims took the test for Trump? And where did she get this information? Is this one of those "family stories" that got some details changed as it got passed around the family? Is this something that Trump bragged or joked about privately with family? This worries me that this could become a point for discrediting the book.
 
shemp said:
This is why the Dems need to be very careful regarding how they handle this book. Even one factual error will be relentlessly attacked and could be used to try to discredit the rest.

Regarding Joe Shapiro, does she claim that the Joe Shapiro that was married to Pam Shriver is the same Joe Shapiro that she claims took the test for Trump? And where did she get this information? Is this one of those "family stories" that got some details changed as it got passed around the family? Is this something that Trump bragged or joked about privately with family? This worries me that this could become a point for discrediting the book.
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I don't think it matters either way. There is no reason to run on the veracity of this book.
 
phiwum said:
Though this part seems a bit hard to verify. From WaPo:
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So why did this come up?
.... said her late husband never said he had taken a test for Trump,
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That would be well before the book if the guy is now dead.

People's memories that far back are always sketchy. Does anyone doubt Trump got into Wharton through something less than his own merit?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
So why did this come up? That would be well before the book if the guy is now dead.

People's memories that far back are always sketchy. Does anyone doubt Trump got into Wharton through something less than his own merit?
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The real question is does anyone really care? This isn't going to sway anyone's mind.
 
The Biden Campaign should ask some psychologists to go over the book and look for clues about what kind of issues might deeply upset Trump, and use that in ads, speeches and campaigns.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
The Biden Campaign should ask some psychologists to go over the book and look for clues about what kind of issues might deeply upset Trump, and use that in ads, speeches and campaigns.
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I don't think there's any mystery as to what gets to Trump. He hates to be mocked. He hates to have his intelligence questioned. He hates to be compared to greater men/women and shown to be lacking. It's not difficult to make ads or make speeches using those.
 
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