Man with concealed carry license stops gunman

[12AX7]

...the literally hundreds of thousands of DGU's that occur every year in this country.

The low end of estimates is 300,000 DGUs per year, so there's been at least 100,000 so far.

Where do these figures come from?

 

[WildCat]

And yet other part of the world get away with not having gun AND not having more crime than the US.

And some have less guns and more crime, like the UK.

 

[WildCat]

You seem to be suggesting that only gangbangers leave guns laying around the house.

Seems to be the overwhelming majority in urban areas. The case linked to involved "a relative" who brought the guns into the house unbeknownst to anyone else, and stashed them under a couch. I'm guessing it wasn't someone who legally acquired or possessed them, and did not have them for lawful self defense or sporting purposes. Rather odds are it was a criminal who had them as part of his "job".

 

[WildCat]

Argument by anecdote? Really?

Seems to be your favorite tactic, why so sour on it all of a sudden?

 

[WildCat]

Where do these figures come from?

Studies.

Do you have any studies to show?

 

[phiwum]

Studies.

Do you have any studies to show?

Do you have any studies to show? You provided a figure, and you say it comes from studies. Surely, you shouldn't be so coy. Which studies?

 

[GlennB]

Where do these figures come from?

Do you have any studies to show? You provided a figure, and you say it comes from studies. Surely, you shouldn't be so coy. Which studies?

It's bollocks.

 

[12AX7]

Do you have any studies to show? You provided a figure, and you say it comes from studies. Surely, you shouldn't be so coy. Which studies?

Remember upthread when I said:

See, they've been on the defensive. Everytime a child is shot with a gun, everytime two gunnutters end up shooting each other at a car wash, everytime someone shoots up a school, they're the first to squeal "What about DGUs!?"

Yet when pressed for real numbers on these DGUs, they get sketchy.

This is what I meant.

 

[Amazer]

I get truly tired of the constant causal oversimplification that gets expressed here (sometimes with a generous portion of the psychologist's fallacy to boot).

Which part did you think I casually oversimplified?

 

[mgidm86]

I'm just glad you guys have a successful CCW use to hang your hats on. A real hero for you guys! Everybody wins!



When concrete examples of DGU matches the numbers of accidents, lemme know.

Not sure what DGU is, but I didn't shoot anyone today, or yesterday. Does that count?

 

[jakesteele]

Yay.

Now you guys can add another "hero CCW" story to the pro-gun portfolio.

Man with concealed carry license stops gunman

This should have read:
Responsible gun owner with concealed carry license stops gunman

 

[WildCat]

Do you have any studies to show? You provided a figure, and you say it comes from studies. Surely, you shouldn't be so coy. Which studies?

You can find cites in the study Obama had the CDC do for him: http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1

It's bollocks.

Your cite is bollocks, politically motivated tripe.

Please cite your studies that show DGUs at fewer than 300,000 per year, again the low end of the available studies.

 

[12AX7]

You can find cites in the study Obama had the CDC do for him: http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1

Have you purchased that study?

 

[jakesteele]

I'm just glad you guys have a successful CCW use to hang your hats on. A real hero for you guys! Everybody wins!



When concrete examples of DGU matches the numbers of accidents, lemme know.

http://www.reddit.com/r/dgu

[Various] The Armed Citizen: Without Firing A Shot

(americas1stfreedom.org)

submitted 1 day ago by pongo000


CCW[2015/04/24] "Ark. shopper defends elderly man by pulling gun" (Little Rock, AR)


[2015/04/25] Jewelry store employee fires shot during robbery attempt (Grand Rapids Twp., MI)

(mlive.com)


[2015/04/23] Would-be burglar shot to death in Arlington (TX) home


[2015/04/23] Homeowner shoots burglar running from neighbor's backyard (Lake Charles, LA)


Bad Form[2015/04/23] Store clerk shoots would-be chainsaw thief in head (Taylorsville, NC)



Bad Form[2015/04/22] Gas station clerk shot armed robber (St. Louis, MO)

This is just a taste of what's listed.

 

[12AX7]

WaPO:

The study that gun-rights activists keep citing but completely misunderstand

But gun-rights supporters zeroed on in a few statements to make their case. One related to the defensive use of guns. The New American Magazine article noted that "Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008."

So it would appear the "good use" of guns outweighs the "bad use." That may be true, except the study says all of those statistics are in dispute -- creating, in the study authors' eyes, a research imperative.

The study (available as a PDF) calls the defensive use of guns by crime victims "a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed." While it might be as high as 3 million defensive uses of guns each year, some scholars point to the much lower estimate of 108,000 times a year. "The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field," the study notes.

Be sure you guess high.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

[2015/04/23] Homeowner shoots burglar running from neighbor's backyard (Lake Charles, LA)

Shot in the back. Sweet.

 

[marplots]

Shot in the back. Sweet.

It's the shot in the back part that makes it defensive. Somehow.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's the shot in the back part that makes it defensive. Somehow.

Oops. My bad, I thought it was the "let's skip due process" part.

 

[jakesteele]

On a related note:


This 1-Year-Old Is Already the 24th U.S. Child Killed by Accidental Gun Violence in 2015



But Yay!

The blind CCW pig found the occasional truffle. I know you guys were upset that Joseph Robert Wilcox didn't have a chance to be a CCW hero,

So now you can celebrate!

Have there been 24 verifiable successful DGUs in the US this year?

More guns!

Many, many more than that: I've already posted this but it bears repeating. http://www.reddit.com/r/dgu.

 

[12AX7]

Many, many more than that: I've already posted this but it bears repeating. http://www.reddit.com/r/dgu.

Awesome! There are 300,000 DGUs on that page?

Cool!