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Man Opens Fire In Delaware

Unabogie

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Of course, it's yet another instance of guns being used for mass killing, bu what interests me is this part:

DelawareOnline.com, the website of the Wilmington News Journal, reports it has been told by "numerous law enforcement and legal sources" that the gunman was "a former optometrist who spent time in federal prison for kidnapping his three daughters and bank fraud in 2007." It's thought that one of the women who were killed was his ex-wife, the newssite says.
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How did he get the gun?
 
Newtons Bit said:
We should probably make it illegal for felons to get guns or something...
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My question is how did he get the gun? We seem to have a system in which crazy felons find it trivial to obtain murder weapons. I'm sorry that you can't see a problem with that.
 
Unabogie said:
My question is how did he get the gun? We seem to have a system in which crazy felons find it trivial to obtain murder weapons. I'm sorry that you can't see a problem with that.
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Who said I don't have a problem with felons getting firearms?
 
At this point I don't know of any reports of how he got the gun and anything I would say on the matter would be pure speculation. Whatever method he obtained the gun with, it was illegal for him to possess it and in my opinion, if that method involved someone knowingly providing a felon with the gun or circumventing the existing background check system then that person(s) should be facing the stiffest penalties allowed by law. Were it up to me they would be facing a charge that carries the same penalties as a 1st degree murder charge.
 
Twiggett said:
At this point I don't know of any reports of how he got the gun and anything I would say on the matter would be pure speculation. Whatever method he obtained the gun with, it was illegal for him to possess it and in my opinion, if that method involved someone knowingly providing a felon with the gun or circumventing the existing background check system then that person(s) should be facing the stiffest penalties allowed by law. Were it up to me they would be facing a charge that carries the same penalties as a 1st degree murder charge.
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What if he purchased it from someone that didn't know he was a felon and didn't have to conduct a background check?
 
PhantomWolf said:
What if he purchased it from someone that didn't know he was a felon and didn't have to conduct a background check?
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Then by existing laws, if that person had no reason to suspect him as being a felon then they should face no criminal legal consequences. To my knowledge they could still be sued in civil court though.
 
Unabogie said:
My question is how did he get the gun? We seem to have a system in which crazy felons find it trivial to obtain murder weapons. I'm sorry that you can't see a problem with that.
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Clearly, that system has holes in it. I suspect a lack of adequate background checks came into play.
 
For about a second after reading the thread title, I was wondering how you could open a fire.
 
Cleon said:
Clearly, that system has holes in it. I suspect a lack of adequate background checks came into play.
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You know, we could just institute a system whereby to purchase a weapon from somebody who is not a licensed dealer, you need to both go visit a dealer with the weapon for a background check. The dealer could be allowed to charge a specified fee for this service.
 
Cleon said:
Clearly, that system has holes in it. I suspect a lack of adequate background checks came into play.
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I suppose it's also possible that the crimes listed in the article were pled down so that he's not actually a felon. Also, he kidnapped someone just 7 years ago, but now he's out? Finally, it says he's an optometrist. I'm guessing he wasn't big on the underground crime scene, so yes, the background check system is horribly broken.
 
Newtons Bit said:
Who said I don't have a problem with felons getting firearms?
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You are clearly not with the program: no matter what we write or say or tweet (etc.) against bad guys and crazies getting ANY access to weapons (not just guns) the only words some people here (and other places) hear is "Gun good!!Everbody got gun good! NRA be god!!!" I remain unimpressed by them.
 
PhantomWolf said:
What if he purchased it from someone that didn't know he was a felon and didn't have to conduct a background check?
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Or more precisely was not allowed to - the agency that handles that ONLY responds/accepts calls from registered gun dealelrs. If you are not one you cannot get the background info on someone you sell to. I fully support being able to make/br required to make the checks for non-dealers.
 
BenBurch said:
You know, we could just institute a system whereby to purchase a weapon from somebody who is not a licensed dealer, you need to both go visit a dealer with the weapon for a background check. The dealer could be allowed to charge a specified fee for this service.
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That would work too - and, actually is even better for reasons I won't detail.:)
 
So an optometrist goes on a killing spree in the U.S.
The mass-murdering dictator in Syria is an ophthalmologist.

I'm just glad I don't have any eye problems or have to wear glasses.
 
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