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Man Held Captive by Stepmom for Twenty-plus Years

ahhell said:
Interesting, counter intuitive to me as the starvation over years seems far crueler.
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It could be that she doesn't see her actions as cruel, which is the scary part. Perhaps to her this was entirely within her right as a stepmother to do and there was nothing wrong with her actions. Others have said similar things in this thread. I'm not sure I am in agreement myself.

I firmly believe that she knew that what she was doing was wrong. That's why she had her kids try to take the locks off, and she tried to cover it up with the firemen when they got there. She knew she was going to get in trouble, she knew what she was doing was wrong, and now she's got to pay for it. I hope she never sees the outside of a prison again.
 
plague311 said:
It could be that she doesn't see her actions as cruel, which is the scary part. Perhaps to her this was entirely within her right as a stepmother to do and there was nothing wrong with her actions. Others have said similar things in this thread. I'm not sure I am in agreement myself.

I firmly believe that she knew that what she was doing was wrong. That's why she had her kids try to take the locks off, and she tried to cover it up with the firemen when they got there. She knew she was going to get in trouble, she knew what she was doing was wrong, and now she's got to pay for it. I hope she never sees the outside of a prison again.
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Exactly. We will probably get some more insight into what brand of psycho she was, and more specifics (I'm laying money that her and the husband really, really hated the birth mom and took it out on the son by proxy), but there is no question that she is sane, and responsible for her actions.
 
Thermal said:
Exactly. We will probably get some more insight into what brand of psycho she was, and more specifics (I'm laying money that her and the husband really, really hated the birth mom and took it out on the son by proxy), but there is no question that she is sane, and responsible for her actions.
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I'm curious what black magic these women have over men lol. The husband\father did this to his own son, apparently at the instruction of the stepmother, and the daughters' boyfriend had no issues in helping cover up a crime for the daughter. Frankly I'd like to see charges come against the others involved as well. From the top to the bottom. At the very least tampering in a criminal investigation. I see nothing unreasonable about that.
 
plague311 said:
I'm curious what black magic these women have over men lol. The husband\father did this to his own son, apparently at the instruction of the stepmother, and the daughters' boyfriend had no issues in helping cover up a crime for the daughter. Frankly I'd like to see charges come against the others involved as well. From the top to the bottom. At the very least tampering in a criminal investigation. I see nothing unreasonable about that.
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Agreed on all counts. I think the father might have been on board to a lesser degree. Like, he resented the son in the extreme (possibly due to Vallerand), and Kimberly coaxed him over the edge.

Regarding the black magic thing, I wonder about that a lot. Are a lot of people hard core psychos who just need that little nudge to act out? Are you born with it, or can it be learned, willingly or otherwise?
 
Thermal said:
Regarding the black magic thing, I wonder about that a lot. Are a lot of people hard core psychos who just need that little nudge to act out? Are you born with it, or can it be learned, willingly or otherwise?
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Something worthy of discussion for sure. My wife and I don't have any kids together. She was all tied up because of iron deficiencies that caused her to be unable to get pregnant, not that either of us wanted another one anyway, but I can't imagine doing ◊◊◊◊ like this to my stepkids. I don't think most people would actually want to hurt anyone, especially a child.

The depravity is mind boggling. That's the ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up thing is this wasn't on some whim. This was calculated, ongoing, without remorse, and the definition of terrorizing another human. There is no justification for something like this at all. My wife and I have been talking about it and we couldn't even come up with an idea of what could cause this behavior. It's unfathomable.
 
plague311 said:
Something worthy of discussion for sure. My wife and I don't have any kids together. She was all tied up because of iron deficiencies that caused her to be unable to get pregnant, not that either of us wanted another one anyway, but I can't imagine doing ◊◊◊◊ like this to my stepkids. I don't think most people would actually want to hurt anyone, especially a child.

The depravity is mind boggling. That's the ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up thing is this wasn't on some whim. This was calculated, ongoing, without remorse, and the definition of terrorizing another human. There is no justification for something like this at all. My wife and I have been talking about it and we couldn't even come up with an idea of what could cause this behavior. It's unfathomable.
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Not only could I not do that to a stepchild, that I have an actual care relationship with, but I'm pretty sure I couldn't do it to anyone, ever. Yet we see stories like Abu Gharib, where presumably typical soldiers engaged in torture of detainees. I read a book years ago, where the doc writer posed that something like a third of people wandering around actually have it in them to go full tilt psycho, but most keep it in check and function. I wonder sometimes if that doc was right, and one out of three could just... torture for years if nudged the right way.
 
Well, if anyone would like to see some pictures of the complete and total ◊◊◊◊ hole that this guy lived in you're welcome to it.

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When I say that place is disgusting I ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ mean it. I'm shocked the guy is still alive after seeing these pictures.
 
Well in fairness, he had set fire to the room and firefighters were all over the second floor and up and down stairs before the pics were taken. I can assure you that a neat as a pin house looks just as bad when the squirters get done with it. They are not neat and tidy guests.

ETA: I was actually a little surprised at the earlier pics of the barrel lock on his door. I would have expected that whole area to be burned to a crisp.
 
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Thermal said:
Well in fairness, he had set fire to the room and firefighters were all over the second floor and up and down stairs before the pics were taken. I can assure you that a neat as a pin house looks just as bad when the squirters get done with it. They are not neat and tidy guests.

ETA: I was actually a little surprised at the earlier pics of the barrel lock on his door. I would have expected that whole area to be burned to a crisp.
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The firefighters didn't lay all the garbage, totes, and trash all over the place lol. Unless maybe they do that in other parts of the nation, I don't know. Pretty positive the picture below doesn't contain any fire damage. It's the bathroom and perhaps the black stuff halfway up the wall might be smoke damage but that room is garbage. Hell, the fire couldn't have done much in this room there's a damn unburnt cardboard box in the picture. It's just a disgusting ass house.

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plague311 said:
The firefighters didn't lay all the garbage, totes, and trash all over the place lol. Unless maybe they do that in other parts of the nation, I don't know. Pretty positive the picture below doesn't contain any fire damage. It's the bathroom and perhaps the black stuff halfway up the wall might be smoke damage but that room is garbage. Hell, the fire couldn't have done much in this room there's a damn unburnt cardboard box in the picture. It's just a disgusting ass house.

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Firefighters are notorious for taking a neat and orderly stack of boxes or Rubbermaids and literally flinging them around the room in search of any fire still burning, dumping the contents with no concern at all (which is totally fair in a smoke filled burning house). One firehose dragged through a window and turned on can make any room look horrific. The spray will.lift things off a shelf and pin them to the ceiling. They pull down drywall if they suspect flame may be inside the walls, the works. They trash a place like you wouldn't believe possible.

But I'd agree this place didn't exactly look normal before. That bathroom.is right out of the 1950s
 
Thermal said:
But I'd agree this place didn't exactly look normal before. That bathroom.is right out of the 1950s
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And there's no water damage in it or even on the box. Not even a little bit.

I agree with what you're saying but I'm not really seeing any firehose damage in most of the pictures but I digress, it's not important.

The strangest part is all those boarded up doors, windows, etc. except for in the bathroom? That struck me as odd. Did he get to use the bathroom regularly or did he just have a bucket. Looking through the pictures I didn't get why they had multiple doors with plywood on them.
 
plague311 said:
And there's no water damage in it or even on the box. Not even a little bit.

I agree with what you're saying but I'm not really seeing any firehose damage in most of the pictures but I digress, it's not important.

The strangest part is all those boarded up doors, windows, etc. except for in the bathroom? That struck me as odd. Did he get to use the bathroom regularly or did he just have a bucket. Looking through the pictures I didn't get why they had multiple doors with plywood on them.
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I actually wondered a little about the boarded up windows, whether it happened before or after the fire. In my long-past experience with being on a Rescue Squad, firefighters hitting a second floor fire break right through the windows for getting in, dragging hoses before the place gets consumed. It's just the most failsafe way of containing it. Then the windows get boarded up by whoever deals with that, sometimes the town as a courtesy, sometimes the owner or their insurance company.

I'm inclined to think this is the case because that plywood (cheaper OSB, really) looked spanking new with no sun fading, especially on the front of the house. If it had been up for even one season, it would have been gray.

Eta: the bathroom: I've read that he had to improvise his waste disposal, literally peeing out a window via straws to divert it away. The window might have been boarded, but he found a small gap to put straws through (literally how the article claimed he made a pee disperser).

The plywood on doors I am taking to mean he was damaging the doors trying to get out, and they got reinforced with plywood. He might have done this when he was younger and still had strength. By the time he was 5' 9" and 68 lbs, I'd doubt he could damage much.
 
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plague311 said:
Well, if anyone would like to see some pictures of the complete and total ◊◊◊◊ hole that this guy lived in you're welcome to it.

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When I say that place is disgusting I ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ mean it. I'm shocked the guy is still alive after seeing these pictures.
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The condition of the carpets is most telling, and I note that it's not just inside his rooms.

I've seen that kind of damage, back in the days, in rental properties after an eviction.

It's obvious that the damage takes a lot of time, and the grime is building up year on year, but I don't understand the source.

I cleaned the carpets here in the week after I moved in.

Twenty years later, the carpets still look the same, (basically clean looking), with nothing except monthly (at best) vacuuming.

Are people walking food and faeces into the carpets, is that the source of all the material?
 
Yeah plywood that I was referring to already had burn marks on it, which would imply to me it was already there when the fire broke out. I'm just not seeing what it was blocking in the picture.

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novaphile said:
The condition of the carpets is most telling, and I note that it's not just inside his rooms.

I've seen that kind of damage, back in the days, in rental properties after an eviction.

It's obvious that the damage takes a lot of time, and the grime is building up year on year, but I don't understand the source.

I cleaned the carpets here in the week after I moved in.

Twenty years later, the carpets still look the same, (basically clean looking), with nothing except monthly (at best) vacuuming.

Are people walking food and faeces into the carpets, is that the source of all the material?
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Yeah, absolutely. We tore the carpet out of our house about 2 years after we moved in. Mostly because we flooded in the basement, but we had discussed tearing it out before that as well. I am just not a fan of carpet, but to your point:

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plague311 said:
Yeah plywood that I was referring to already had burn marks on it, which would imply to me it was already there when the fire broke out. I'm just not seeing what it was blocking in the picture.

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That's exactly what I was saying: the plywood (the pic shows actual plywood on the interior door) was reinforcing, likely from escape attempts. The stuff on the windows you can see has no burn marks on it at all, despite the fire starting upstairs. It looks like fresh sheets pulled right out of Home Depot, not stuff that was in a fire.

Re: what was on front of the plywood: Probably a solid reclining type chair or something, based on the profile. Firefighters would have flipped it aside
 
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I wonder...

Carrying food and drink through the house, slopping it onto floors with every step.

Never wiping feet, or removing shoes before entering.

Allowing pets and/or children to defecate on the floor and leaving it.

On a similar note...

We've just had another demolition on my street, a duplex that has had squatters in it, on and off, for more than a year.

The demolition crew said that they stopped counting after they found 50 syringes.

Both homes were filled with, apparently human, faeces.

Both homes had working flush toilets.

I will never understand people.

I can understand needing a place to live.

I can not understand crapping on the floor.
 
I haven't been able to view much in this article, it's about time for me to go home and make some Irish Stew, but apparently there's bodycam footage and more pictures. Along with part of the interview with Kimberly where she claims he's never locked in his room, he can come and go as he wants, and him being carried out by first responders.

Harsh stuff, not for the weak stomached. Link
 
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