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Making God Exist

Gestahl

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Some thoughts on Fundamentalism and Therocracies...

A while back, I posted a thread here about the existence of God that was partly tongue-in-cheek, partly serious. The question that immediately comes out of that discussion is: "To what extent do our concepts shape reality?"

Now this isn't some idealist's navel-gazing: we are all aware that our conceptions shape not only our perceptions, but also actions, which changes *what* we perceive. If concepts can change how we perceive, and what we perceive, then I would think they hold a huge sway over the goings on of reality.

Which leads to fundamentalism. Most fundamentalists want a theocracy, or at least a governmental system that recognizes the right and wrong of their religion, and a society that considers their religion to be paramount to the exclusion of others. Why?

Well, the fundamentalists are actually being smart, although probably without knowing it. In order for religion to be true, it has to be *made* true by societal structure. They realize people can sin without retribution... and that it is losing them believers. So they try and make a society whereby their morality is backed by the law. This is why it is so important for them to claim the US is a Christian nation... because that is the only way the Christian world-view can survive: to have a society where it makes sense and *is* true as much as can be made true. In other words, they wish to make the world in their God's image (and who doesn't, metaphorically speaking), and then present their God as the proof or reason of why that is. Trying to set things up so God's existence is almost a tautology. Pretty slick, if you ask me. It is almost like guerilla meme-warfare.

Almost like we make the philosophies of democracy (in the guise of a republic) and capitalism "true"... they exist because we make them exist.

To bring it back to my philosophy, the society, government, and culture are abstractions of people's actions and concepts. If the government and society are correctly constructed, the concept of God is almost insidiously forced into the minds of people, which then modify the society, strengthening the concept... I think you get the idea.

If a concept and social acceptance of it can get adults to earnestly, truly, believe they are speaking with another invisible entity, a symptom of delusion, schizophrenia, and many other mental disorders (belief in God is even specifically excluded from psychological evaluation in the DSM IV), then what *can't* be accomplished similarly?

/I really need to try and pare my opening posts down
 
Ahhh Yes...


The Emperor’s New Suit


“Really,” he said, turning to the weavers, “your cloth has our most gracious approval;” and nodding contentedly he looked at the empty loom, for he did not like to say that he saw nothing. All his attendants, who were with him, looked and looked, and although they could not see anything more than the others, they said, like the emperor, “It is very beautiful.” And all advised him to wear the new magnificent clothes at a great procession which was soon to take place. “It is magnificent, beautiful, excellent,” one heard them say; everybody seemed to be delighted, and the emperor appointed the two swindlers “Imperial Court weavers.”
 
Diogenes said:
Ahhh Yes...


The Emperor’s New Suit


“Really,” he said, turning to the weavers, “your cloth has our most gracious approval;” and nodding contentedly he looked at the empty loom, for he did not like to say that he saw nothing. All his attendants, who were with him, looked and looked, and although they could not see anything more than the others, they said, like the emperor, “It is very beautiful.” And all advised him to wear the new magnificent clothes at a great procession which was soon to take place. “It is magnificent, beautiful, excellent,” one heard them say; everybody seemed to be delighted, and the emperor appointed the two swindlers “Imperial Court weavers.”

I love it when I get into some deep thought, and then someone comes and makes me realize that the core of the thought is expressed in a children's story. Intellectually humbling, I guess.

So what can be done? How do we stop the positive feedback?
 
Gestahl said:
I love it when I get into some deep thought, and then someone comes and makes me realize that the core of the thought is expressed in a children's story. Intellectually humbling, I guess.

So what can be done? How do we stop the positive feedback?
I wish I knew.. This reminds me of the quote ( someone's sig ) that goes something like " I helped free some slaves. I could have freed thousands more if they had known they were slaves. "


People want to believe. Many are suspicious of what they have been taught, but can't bring themselves to buck the system or question those in authority . They fear being outside the fire.
 
Diogenes said:
people want to believe. Many are suspicious of what they have been taught, but can't bring themselves to buck the system or question those in authority . They fear being outside the fire.
Who wants to be the one to tell the king that his arse is hanging out.
 

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