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Make Donald DRUMPF again!!!

maxpower1227 said:
All the Drumpf stuff aside, the rest of Oliver's ~20 minute piece was a masterful takedown, and involved better journalism than anything from the cable news networks.
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Quite true - almost as fine as the Church of Eternal Exemption episode!!!!!!!!
 
Ladewig said:
Every criticism he made is valid. He has laid out an argument that would lead any objective and rational person away from Donald's campaign. He has provided documented evidence of the danger and absurdity of electing this professional BS artist. And he has done all that in a succinct and humorous way.

But arguing for the name-reversal is a waste of time and energy. It will be child's play for Trump to brush this aside. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump gains new followers as he dismisses this name-change drive.
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As Ol' Jonny Leibowitz used to say, this is a comedy show! The show leading into it is puppets making crank calls. It's not meant to be serious. And yet...

maxpower1227 said:
All the Drumpf stuff aside, the rest of Oliver's ~20 minute piece was a masterful takedown, and involved better journalism than anything from the cable news networks.
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This is also true.
 
angrysoba said:
As Ol' Jonny Leibowitz used to say, this is a comedy show! The show leading into it is puppets making crank calls. It's not meant to be serious. And yet...
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Ok.
I'll keep it in those terms. I wouldn't be surprised if this joke made by a comedy show brought more people over to Trump's side.

I guess the reason it irks me is that I agree with the previous posters that other than the Drumpf thing, every single line in the entire segment was better journalism than professional journalists could put out and at the same time, better comedy than any of the broadcast networks could put out.

I suppose that for me, it might work as a joke if the whole thing were lawsuit bait to catch Trump. If Trump threatens to sue then call his bluff and say that he doesn't have the balls to sue. If Trump backs down, the Oliver can bill himself as a man Trump is afraid to sue. If Trump files suit, then he will lose because (a) he will not be able to show damages and (b) nothing Oliver said is actionable.
 
tyr_13 said:
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See, comedy isn't simply something stupid. Ideally comedy is a little bit wrong and a little bit right. One of the most basic forms is 'shattered expectations'. What are the expectations from Trump, his statements, and his ideas? How does one shatter them? We can look at Bush and his administration and highlight the wrong in it. The expectation is that they were saying and doing things to reflect how they believed reality behaves and should behave. Even when they were lying, they were doing so for outcomes. Even when they weren't trying to lie, weren't aware of it, basically lying to themselves, there was still juxtaposition to be revealed. There were a lot of funny ways to point out the contradictions and how the expectations they made didn't line up. They were trying to be right, and pointing out how they were kinda wrong or kinda right in a way they didn't think of left people with the unexpected. Breaking people's anticipation of what will happen next based on the logic laid out, or by breaking what they anticipate a line of logic to be employed on, creates humor. Bush was trying in good faith to reflect reality.
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Humor is a serious business.
 
maxpower1227 said:
All the Drumpf stuff aside, the rest of Oliver's ~20 minute piece was a masterful takedown, and involved better journalism than anything from the cable news networks.
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John Oliver is really carrying the torch left over with the retirement of Jon Stewart. Much more so than the relaunched Daily Show.
 
NoahFence said:
The ridicule isn't in the name, it's that he is on record saying that John Stewart should have stuck with his real name.
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Trump has been Trump his whole life. He didn't change his last name, unlike Stewart. And yes, it was petty of Trump to make an issue of it; many, many people in showbiz change their names. Why not criticize that instead of sinking to his level?
 
Also there is no record of any Drumpf making a legal/official name change (none found .....)
 
Brainster said:
Trump has been Trump his whole life. He didn't change his last name, unlike Stewart. And yes, it was petty of Trump to make an issue of it; many, many people in showbiz change their names. Why not criticize that instead of sinking to his level?
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I'm not sure if this was the case for Jonathan Liebowitz, but many people in show business were forced to change their name in order to avoid a conflict with or free-riding off another entertainer/actor with the same name. If you were simply allowed to use your birth name, then parents could game the system by naming their aspiring celebrity baby Leonardo Dicaprio or Jennifer Lawrence, or even Donald Trump.
 
sunmaster14 said:
I'm not sure if this was the case for Jonathan Liebowitz, but many people in show business were forced to change their name in order to avoid a conflict with or free-riding off another entertainer/actor with the same name.
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It's a requirement of the Screen Actors Guild: no two actors registered with SAG can have the same name. (source)

Regarding Stewart, specifically:

Wikipedia said:
Stewart's parents divorced when Stewart was eleven years old, and Stewart was apparently largely estranged from his father. Because of his strained relationship with his father...he dropped his surname and began using his middle name, Stuart. ... He had his surname legally changed to Stewart in 2001. (source)
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As to the OP, it hits me that an even better way to phrase our slogan would have been
DRUMPF TRUMP!!!!!!!!
 
Brainster said:
Or John Kohn (Kerry). Or Bill Blythe (Clinton). Or Barack Soetero (Obama). Or Leslie King, Jr. (Gerald Ford).

Seriously, with all the legitimate reasons to ridicule Trump, this one is petty and absurd.
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The focus on this is because of his specificly using this to go after John Stewart(Leibowitz)

It also focuses that his name is by far the most valuable thing he has and if it wasn't the term used for an absolute winner in a game of cards he would have rather a lot more difficulty getting people to ignore all the brands he endorsed with his name that failed.
 
NoahFence said:
The ridicule isn't in the name, it's that he is on record saying that John Stewart should have stuck with his real name.
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And his name is the bulk of his wealth. He values it in the 3-5 billion dollar range. Drumpf would never work as a brand to put on buildings, airlines, vodka, meat and so on.
 
Ladewig said:
Ok.
I'll keep it in those terms. I wouldn't be surprised if this joke made by a comedy show brought more people over to Trump's side.

I guess the reason it irks me is that I agree with the previous posters that other than the Drumpf thing, every single line in the entire segment was better journalism than professional journalists could put out and at the same time, better comedy than any of the broadcast networks could put out.

I suppose that for me, it might work as a joke if the whole thing were lawsuit bait to catch Trump. If Trump threatens to sue then call his bluff and say that he doesn't have the balls to sue. If Trump backs down, the Oliver can bill himself as a man Trump is afraid to sue. If Trump files suit, then he will lose because (a) he will not be able to show damages and (b) nothing Oliver said is actionable.
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I don't think Oliver read that much into it, and that's mostly because he already caught Trump lying and then called him out on it. Trump can't sue Oliver anyway, any good lawyer would tell him that. Oliver said nothing that was false.
 
First. I withdraw my previous complaints. I am not as good a judge of humor as I thought I was.

plague311 said:
I don't think Oliver read that much into it, and that's mostly because he already caught Trump lying and then called him out on it. Trump can't sue Oliver anyway, any good lawyer would tell him that. Oliver said nothing that was false.
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But when it comes to threatening lawsuits, when has Trump ever relied on the advice of a good lawyer. He simply gets upset and threatens to sue. There are dozens And dozens of Trump's threatened lawsuits. He is a loudmouthed self-centered clown who resorts to shouting, name calling and/or threatening lawsuits when he doesn't get his way.
 
plague311 said:
I don't think Oliver read that much into it, and that's mostly because he already caught Trump lying and then called him out on it. Trump can't sue Oliver anyway, any good lawyer would tell him that. Oliver said nothing that was false.
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True trump doesn't sue anywhere near as much as he threatens to. But maybe with the resources of the white house he can finally sue everyone he always wanted to.
 
I've been waiting for Trump to meltdown about this, but it seems he's being pretty quiet on the subject?
 
Brainster said:
Trump has been Trump his whole life. He didn't change his last name, unlike Stewart. And yes, it was petty of Trump to make an issue of it; many, many people in showbiz change their names. Why not criticize that instead of sinking to his level?
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It was a half a minute blurb at the end of a 20 minute beat down. Can you comment on the rest of it?
 
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