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Magnetic Mumbo Jumbo

dogbite666

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Hi folks,

I've just posted a question on a woo forum about something called a 'MotoFlow'. Here's the web site all about it:

http://www.magnet-healing.co.uk/motoflow-fuel-economy.asp

Its another one of the magnet mumbo jumbo things which sell for lots of £££ and do absolutly nothing. I asked how this piece of apparatus works and heres the reply I got, I just had to share it with you! So, any ideas on how I should wind this guy up?

Arthur Harries

PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:52 am Post subject: 'Motoflow' for fuel and emission savings Reply with quote

Hi dogbite

In answer to your question regarding what a 'Motoflow' does to your fuel the following is how it has been explained to me:

Hydrocarbon molecules are very complex, and a small change in the molecular structure can mean big changes in the end product. As an example the only difference between petrol and diesel is a few carbon atoms!

Fuel that has been subjected to the Motoflow magnetic field has benefited from electron movement, producing molecules that combine more efficiently with oxygen. This action allows for a quicker and more complete combustion, resulting in more energy being available earlier in the combustion stroke of the engine. An increase in power and torque and a reduction in pollutants are generally noticeable. The combustion chambers tend to remain ‘cleaner’, that is less carbon is deposited in the areas of combustion allowing gases to flow freely. A better combustion will give more power, but it is the driver’s foot that dictates whether the additional power is used to accelerate quicker or improve fuel consumption!

Modern engines are fuel injected and continually monitored electronically to optimise their performance. They are therefore considerably more efficient than engines built in 1991. However, that does not mean that they cannot benefit from Motoflow in the long term. Reduced pollutants result in an extended life of catalytic converters (expensive to replace) and the cleaner burn helps to extend the efficient life of the engine.
 
here's my reply:

Thanks Arthur,

I see, so the magnetic field actually changes the molecular structure of each hydrocarbon molecule???????

wow! that is amazing! how strong are the magnets in the motoflow? I am guessing they must be greater than 10 Tesla. A Magnetic Resonance Imaging machine has a magnet of about 5 Tesla and that sure doesn't change the structure of the molecules in your body, just makes them resonate at a higher frequency. To actually strip electrons off an atom you must have a hugh magnet of about 100 GigaTesla.

If magnets in the motoflow are small, maybe less than 0.1 Tesla then I don't see how they could effect the molecule in anyway, especially as the hydrocarbon molecule will pass through the motoflow's magentic field in a very short period of time!

Can you please explain exactly how the small magnets in the motoflow change the molecular structure?

Many thanks,

dogbite.
 
dogbite666 said:
Arthur Harries: "Hydrocarbon molecules are very complex, and a small change in the molecular structure can mean big changes in the end product. As an example the only difference between petrol and diesel is a few carbon atoms!"
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Many of the molecules that are necessary for Arthur to remain alive are considerably more complex, and their precise structures are vitally important. We're not just talking about their combustion properties here.

He'd better steer well clear of magnets! ;)
 
Mojo said:
Many of the molecules that are necessary for Arthur to remain alive are considerably more complex, and their precise structures are vitally important. We're not just talking about their combustion properties here.

He'd better steer well clear of magnets! ;)
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Could this explain spontaneous combustion? Obviously people's electons were shifted into a more combustible state by standing too near magnets. Of the evil, inorganic type obviously.:eye-poppi
 
Can you even get GigaTesla? We have superconducting magnets up to about 8T, but I don't think I've heard of anything much bigger than that.
 
The magnetic field of a pulsar is at about that order, hence it spews out jets of ionized particles which have been stripped of their electrons. Thats the kind of power you'd need to change the structure of a molecule. I don't think I could accomodate a pulsar under the hood of my car, nor do I believe it would improve the fuel efficency!
 
um, if it worked the way this guy claimed, wouldnt it just cause your pistons to ping and knock around violently as the combustion occured "quicker"?
 
gfunkusarelius said:
um, if it worked the way this guy claimed, wouldnt it just cause your pistons to ping and knock around violently as the combustion occured "quicker"?
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Don't bring up facts, dude, it just confuses things.

But you are correct, of course. The combustion properties of fuel are exceedingly tuned to provide optimal performance (actually, it's a little bit of both - the design of internal combustion engines is also highly tuned to deal with the combustion properties of gasoline). If you mess up that balance, you can only get less optimal performance.

Of course, that is even assuming that the does anything at all, which it doesn't. You can't get anything that is much less responsive to magnets than the hydrocarbons of fuel. They are electronically as non-magnetic as they come. Shoot, they aren't even very polar, so there aren't even any rotational issues as with a moving dipole in a magnetic field.
 
Absolute genius. He actually says that it might do nothing whatsoever.

The Motoflow has the effect of removing any carbon build up and if your car was last tuned with a dirty combustion chamber, then as the engine gradually becomes cleaner then it will no longer become tuned for optimum performance. Likewise, if an engine is fitted with a Motoflow the fuel is being burned more efficiently and the tuner may increase the fuel/air ratio to compensate, thus negating any savings you would make
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If you have an older car, or a high mileage car then the Motoflow may temporarily increase your MPG and emissions because the Motoflow begins to clean carbon deposits in the engine. After about 1000 miles you may wish to have the engine retuned to maximise the effects of a clean engine
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So as far as I can tell, if you retune your engine it will be slightly more efficient.

I also get the feeling someone has seen "Return to the Forbidden Planet" too much.
The outstanding success of MotoflowT when compared to other IMI products is attributable to the unique Central Reverse Polarity magnetic field
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Well Ive just been booted off the forum, they offered me the following link as evidence that Magnetic Therapy is valid.

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/cont...EX=0&volume=329&issue=7480&resourcetype=HWCIT

It took me about 30 seconds to find the gaping hole in fact they rest their entrie claim on the this paper. See if you can find it quicker. I'll give you a clue, look in the Conclusion in the Abstract. Its only two lines long, read the second line. My guess is they read the first line and popped open the champagne!
 
I think I might start selling this crap myself. You don't even need magnets. How about if I started selling small pieces of Acrylic plastic saying they are charged by the power of crystalls or something, would that be a bad thing to do? I reckon the mark up would be phenomonal! If I had a discIaimer on the web site saying they do nothing at all do you think I could sleep at night? I mean if people are stupid enough to believe these things in the face of over whealming lack of evidence then surely they deserve to loose their money.

ahhhhh Im going to the dark side!!!!!!!!!!
 
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dogbite666 said:
Hi folks,

I've just posted a question on a woo forum about something called a 'MotoFlow'. Here's the web site all about it:

http://www.magnet-healing.co.uk/motoflow-fuel-economy.asp

Its another one of the magnet mumbo jumbo things which sell for lots of £££ and do absolutly nothing. I asked how this piece of apparatus works and heres the reply I got, I just had to share it with you! So, any ideas on how I should wind this guy up?
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This device has been the subject of several ASA ajudications:

http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudications/non_broadcast/Adjudication+Details.htm?Adjudication_id=37807
http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudications/non_broadcast/Adjudication+Details.htm?Adjudication_id=37802
http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudications/non_broadcast/Adjudication+Details.htm?adjudication_id=33701

Each time they appear to have tried to rely on the same report from the Warren Spring lab. Each time the same flaws have been pointed out.
 
We have a stall flogging all that crap, here in Inverness. Apparently, wearing a magnet will enhance the flow of 'energies' to the brain???

It'll certainly enhance the flow of money from people's wallets!
 
Of course it may just be strong enough to attract any particulates in the fuel that are attractable and let things burn a little cleaner, well, until the fuel line clogs up at the point of the magnet.
 
There goofs are claiming this was tested and approved by a British Government agency, surely they're going to catch it in the neck if someone finds out? Shouldn't we notify the Dept of Transport and the Trading Standards people to go have a word with them concerning their advert for this piece of expensive nonsense?
 
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