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Lying with Pixels - Technology Article from 2000

calebprime said:
Ace is at least a competent musician. Anyone who's worked for a number of years doing film-scoring is probably more than competent. You don't continue working if you are insane or incompetent.
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As someone who spent 10 years as a working musician, I can anecdotally assert that there is no necessary correlation whatsoever between musical ability and accurate perception of reality. If anything, musicians are more susceptible to woo than the average shmoe. (Except for us drummers of course. We are by nature experts at pattern recognition and logical construction of the whole from relevant parts. ;)).
 
I have noted before in other threads that a large number of the rank and file truthers appear to be active in music or related fields (DJ's, etc). This observation comes from comments they have made or knowing what they do for a living via personal admission or knowing their actual identities.

This leads me to a theory that whatever it is that makes a person adept in music may be related to mental characteristics that cause a person to be prone to the belief in conspiracies.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
What clear signs are those? I see videos that quickly fade to black. Signal interruption does not and cannot do this. Signal interruption can cause noise, pixelization, freeze-frame, but not a fade to black. A black screen requires a signal.
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See here:
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Obviously more than a simple fade. There is white banding. The picture is all over the place.

And you still haven't explained why a 'fade' would even occur on this camera - which could not show the plane.


You're talking about this video -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnRt3cHuAmE

I see no evidence this "EuroNews" video was broadcast live. First there's no audio on it. Second, it shows a series of edited clips. This was posted by Webfairy, and she put the word "live" in quote marks, appropriately so.
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Well I know for a fact that this precise view was broadcast live in the UK on the BBC. The video is on youtube but swamped beneath BBC WTC7 videos. However, ABC also broadcast this view live and here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMucVeew8eg


Furthermore, consider these two videos, which do have audio, and which were broadcast live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6wQZznaAVQ&mode=related&search=

They both show no "nose out" event at all. In the Chopper 5 Pinocchio video, the nose out occurs before, that is ahead of the explosion. These two videos would obviously show the nose out, if it had been real.
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Turns out the 'nose out' (jet of debris) is real then, here it is, before any explosion on the north face:
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Easy to miss, considering you are trying to perform analysis on a hugely compressed and pixelated video.

That seems like about the same type of view that Alt+f4 had, and she says she saw a plane hit the building.
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Except that Alt+f4 was inside a building, not at street level. You did not answer my question, by the way.


The tire doesn't look like it's "embedded", it looks like it's just sitting there.
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Any evidence that it was planted? I thought it was proven?
 
Well, they found a piece of fuselage on the roof of WTC5, in October I believe. Unfortunately, the Sept 23 aerial photo doesn't show the piece.

Also, you've got that landing gear on the sidewalk underneath the tarp. It would have had to fly over two buildings, and bounce into that position. There don't seem to be any scars caused by the bouncing landing gear. And the videos don't show any landing gear flying out of the building.

Then you've got the miracle passport. Even Frank Greening has said he's suspicious about that one.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Also, you've got that landing gear on the sidewalk underneath the tarp. It would have had to fly over two buildings, and bounce into that position. There don't seem to be any scars caused by the bouncing landing gear. And the videos don't show any landing gear flying out of the building.
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But they clearly show some form of debris being ejected.

TruthSeeker1234 said:
Then you've got the miracle passport.
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Why is paper surviving miraculous? Remember all the odd bits and assortments which survived the space shuttle Columbia's break up during re-entry? And that was from speeds and altitudes far beyond what we're talking about in regards to 9/11.

I'm inclined to say you've been watching too many Hollywood movies and TV shows and think the way things are depicted in them are actually the way things work in the real world. There is actually relatively little resemblance.
 
That's a nice link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMucVeew8eg

Lots of weird things. The logo covers up where the nose out would be, so you can't tell. There is a double beep sound 17 seconds before the plane hits. It sounds like it could be a sync pop. In scoring to picture, we always put sync pops at the head and tail, as a reference mark to make sure sound and picture elements line up properly.

In fact, September Clues has put together all of the live shots, and they all have some sort of audio glitch at 17 seconds before. Coincidence?

And of course, we have Don Dahler saying he didn't see a plane, that "the building just exploded".
 
Just a friendly reminder, TS, but if you're going to produce your attempt at equivalent video fakery you'd better stop posting here so much because such an endeavour is going to take up a lot of your time, and I, for one, really do want to see the results of your effort.
 
D'rok the Lacone said:
As someone who spent 10 years as a working musician, I can anecdotally assert that there is no necessary correlation whatsoever between musical ability and accurate perception of reality. If anything, musicians are more susceptible to woo than the average shmoe. (Except for us drummers of course. We are by nature experts at pattern recognition and logical construction of the whole from relevant parts. ;)).
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I did enjoy watching this video of Ace describing his process of scoring a flick by the name of "Mojave Phone Booth"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3899797523558301146
 
Well one man alive probably got the best look at Ft 175 seconds prior to it hitting WTC 2, and that guy was Stanley Praimnath, an assistant vice president of loan operations at Fuji Bank Limited. He was on the 81st floor of WTC, almost exactly where the plane struck. He saw it out his office window before it hit his office. Everyone else in the offices there at the time died, and he probably should have too except for a miracle that the engine missed the desk he was cowering under. Ace, he was there. He says that there was a plane, he says it hit the building, he says that after it did there were parts of the plane in his office and he had to scramble over them to escape. Answer this question! Are you calling this man a liar?
 
PhantomWolf said:
Answer this question! Are you calling this man a liar?
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Rhetorical question. Ace's position by its very definition requires this man to be a liar.

So, yes, whether he admits to it our not, Ace is calling him a liar. He will try to weasel out of it by suggesting that Mr Praimnath was simply mistaken, though.

It's such a trivial thing to be so mistaken by something like that, huh?
 
tacodaemon said:
I did enjoy watching this video of Ace describing his process of scoring a flick by the name of "Mojave Phone Booth"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3899797523558301146
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There's a real fine line between creative genius and insanity. All the really talented creative types I worked with over the years exhibited the same sort of mania. In order to create, they have to enter a kind of free-associative, organic fugue-state that us sidemen just can't pull off - we have skill rather than talent. Unfortunately for the creative types, their mania frequently spills over into regular life. Ace appears to have it bad. I hope for his sake that he at least has the creative musical talent to go along with it.
 
twinstead said:
Rhetorical question. Ace's position by its very definition requires this man to be a liar.

So, yes, whether he admits to it our not, Ace is calling him a liar. He will try to weasel out of it by suggesting that Mr Praimnath was simply mistaken, though.

It's such a trivial thing to be so mistaken by something like that, huh?
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Oh I know that, but I want him to actually have the guts to come out and say so directly. I want to see if he has the kahooies to actually bald-faced call one of the survivers of the Towers a liar, or if like usual he's just going to ignore it because it doesn't fit into his agenda.
 
Unsecured Coins said:
No, This is me
[qimg]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/Jaye77/JayeandBullseye.jpg[/qimg]

The guy in the vid (and my avatar) is the late great Dimebag Darrell Abbott.

By th eway Ace, that Les Paul is tuned down to Drop - Cb at all times. Anytime you wanna match musical wits, holla at ya boy.
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Bloke check out www.darklord.com.au

blokes in my band have sick twin neck guitars
Rythm tuned to drop Eb (has bass strings!)
Lead neck normal Eb
 
What about the three miracle Deep Purple CDs and live worm experiment that were found after the Columbia explosion?
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And one of the mission patches which would have had to have been torn off the sleeve of the arstronaut.

Items survived 93's crash too. Numerous driver's licences, passports and ID cards, some of which were used as exhibits during the Moussaoui trial. I believe that there have been many unlikely objects survive plane crashes previous to that as well. I have heard about a letter a passanger wrote to his wife on an airline napkin (serviette) that then survived the crashing of his plane back in the 80's.
 
WildCat said:
Wow! You guys play at an event called "Alcoholocaust"... why didn't I think of that name for a party before? :D

eta: I am so going to steal that name!
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I came up with it and suggested it to the promoter. He was happy and it actually ran 2 times with us headlining both, the second to 400+ punters.
My mate does a lot of the bigger show poster artwork down here in Aus for metal tours and festivals and he had a picture of darth vader holding a bottle of VB (beer in Aus). It was hilarious.

There was going to be an alcoholocaust 3 but the current gig climate down here is hard for smaller promoters to get in amongst the bigger guys bring down all the international acts...thats ok though...I just jump on their bandwagon as well hahaha....

Its a perfect name for a metal gig. Metal heads are just loud drunks hahaha.
From a marketing point of view its a win win as the venue is happy we are encouraging drunks and then later on we get a better cheer plus our mistakes are covered up with beer ears.
 
Google "Timothy Good" and "UFOs" for a prime example of musical genius coupled with total nuttery. This guy was a good enough violinist to win a place in the Royal Philharmonic (in 1963), played 14 years with the London Symphony, and is totally bats**t insane.
 
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