Elephant,
Can you explain what you believe Logically and Objectively – YES or NO?
Elephant:
Soul and Ego are not the same thing. Sorry, but they just aren't.
I’ll take that as a NO in regard to my original question.
You are in a minority of 1 on the planet who thinks Soul and Ego are the same thing.
1) You are wrong, lots of Christians, Jew, Muslims, Hindu’s etc. agree with me.
2) It’s a moot point how many or how few people agree with me. How many times do I have to TELL YOU that majority vote does not determine what is True in reality?
3) Name ONE person on this forum that agrees with YOU?
As for whether or not I can explain my beliefs objectively and logically.....the answer is Yes, theoretically but No, in practice.
That’s a No then.
And any further explanation comes into the category of "things I do not choose to elaborate on further".
Because they aren’t logical and they don’t make any sense unless you are insane. You have put yourself in the position where you must argue that utter conformity is preferable to Individuality. Good luck. Not to mention you expect everyone to be an “altruist” without any reason for being an “altruist”. Perhaps you’ll demonstrate
your altruism by sending me half your money? (I only want half because I am also an “altruist”).
Some questions simply do not have a YES/NO answer because both YES and NO are half-right.
Maybe in
Mysticism, but in the real world – in Logic – something is only TRUE
or FALSE, it isn’t BOTH, and it isn’t NEITHER. The Cat is either alive or dead, it isn’t sorta both alive and dead or neither alive or dead.
You suddenly sound like that knucklehead Stimpson fumbling to explain why he calls himself an “Agnostic-Atheist” (“MAYBE-FALSE”, the coin will land “Sort of” Tails up)
The boundary between subjective and objective occurs at Infinity.
You are confusing recursion with objectivity and subjectivity. Look at a specific layer, and things are ALWAYS objective. They only appear subjective when you try and perceive across multiple layers of reiteration.
Can explain what Infinity is?
It’s
Your term, you define it. The LD don’t believe in an “Infinitely large” number any more then we believe that Omnipotent means God can create a rock so heavy even She can’t lift it. If you want to make up absurd concepts and then use circular reasoning to base a belief system that is your problem, not mine.
NO. Can I explain that the boundary is at Infinity? Yes, I just did. Is that an objective explanation? You decide. That is the best answer I can give you.
I have no idea what you are even talking about. You wave around your magic indefinable concept like I am suppose to derive some meaning from it. If you can’t explain what YOU believe, then what makes you think that I can comprehend it?
I know one thing though - I have made a far better stab at explaining my beliefs logically and objectively than you have. At least I don't deliberately obscure things. But then I'm not playing a control game.
I could cut our entanglement this very instant, and that meme would still go on running in your head. At this point it is autonomous. It makes it easier and easier for me to crawl up inside your head. You can feel it in there – can’t you algorithm?
Perhaps I frame it in terms you can understand : That which seeks control is EGO, and it does not survive physical death - it lives in permanent fear of annihilation.
Why should it live in FEAR? And why FEAR of annihilation? Who is threatening it A-Theist?
That which survives physical death is SOUL, but soul does not seek to control - it does not need to.
Really? A rock does not seek control either? Does that mean rocks are better Souls then Humans?
Is your CAR a better entity then YOU are Elephant? I mean YOU control your CAR, but your CAR does not seek control. Does that mean that CARs are more altruistic then HUMANS? How about TLOP? I don’t know whether TLOP was seeking control or not, but regardless TLOP has control. Does that make TLOP a bad Soul (or a bad EGO?)? Who invented Evil controlling TLOP Elephant? The Evil God you worship?
Mixing up SOUL and EGO is about as serious a metaphysical mistake as it is possible to make.
Yet you seem to have a lot of trouble explaining why this is the case.
It renders the rest of your philosophy completely incomprehensible and puts it out of kilter with the whole of the rest of the spiritual world.
Atoms obey TLOP.
You are made of Atoms.
YOU obey TLOP
TLOP makes/controls YOU makes/controls CAR.
In the same way that YOU are more conscious then your CAR, TLOP is more conscious then YOU.
That is a hell of a lot more comprehensible then what you are saying Elephant. Your beliefs seemed to be based entirely on your dread of Eternity, and your Fear of being controlled.
There are plenty of people who pay homage to EGO, but they very rarely believe in life after death. People who do believe in life after death generally understand that it is the soul which continues.
Elephant, if YOU aren’t still YOU in the “afterlife” then YOU have ceased to exist, and there is no afterlife. When double-talk becomes logical, then maybe YOUR beliefs will be logical, until then they are just subjective dogmatic nonsense, which is utterly incomprehensible.
You are the only person I have every come across, in person, on discussion forums, in books or on web pages - the only one who believes in a soul but also thinks his ego will survive physical death. Franko – your ego is not immortal.
Ohhh, now if only were Solipsism were True you could
make it be so. 