Lock them up?

[The Big Dog]

And the dodge.

I guess we won't know which trumpkins deleted their emails or had classified info until we have an FBI investigation, amiright ?

Not at all, we found that out about Hillary pretty early on, and she of course admitted she deleted them.

But I am sure that we can both agree that if we discover the same type of shenanigans that Hillary pulled, that both Hillary and the "trumpkins" as you so cleverly refer to them should be headed for the clink!

Nice to see a bi-partisan approach here!

 

[The Big Dog]

Man, the non-hypocritical Clinton defenders from 2016 are not gonna be pissed about this!

My position is if it can be shown (as was shown with Clinton) that they did it to avoid FOIA and had classified data on it that these folks ought be tried right after Hillary.

If you explain how it was shown in the Clinton case we can examine these cases in the same light.

Attempted diversion noted and ignored.

No diversion at all of course, although bit of a shame you ignored that.

 

[plague311]

The two are not really the same in my opinion. One used a private server, the other used a public email service\server.

One turned over emails. The other, we don't know if they have any intention on turning over the emails.

One consulted with a previous SoS who advised her on what to do, or what her options were. The other screamed that Hillary should be locked up, and then AFTER screaming that, decided to do the same.

So no, they aren't the same.

 

[CapelDodger]

No diversion at all of course, although bit of a shame you ignored that.

I think it's reasonable to conclude at this point that this intent never was shown in the Clinton case, despite your claim (and no doubt belief).

 

[The Big Dog]

I think it's reasonable to conclude at this point that this intent never was shown in the Clinton case, despite your claim (and no doubt belief).

well y'all know where the answer is, but as pointed before, it's fine.

We still have consensus on the classified stuff, which is all one could ever wish for.

 

[applecorped]

Yes lock them up, right next to Hillary.

Oh Hillary isn't locked up? nevermind

 

[sunmaster14]

It's a specific point, which shouldn't be hard to explain : how was this intent shown? I'm not going to plough through another thread just for this detail.

There was actually an email from Huma Abedin which was pretty damning, which implied that if using an official blackberry was still going to subject its content to FOIA requests, then there was no point. There was also an email from Colin Powell recommending using private email as a way to avoid FOIA.

Aside from that, it was obvious that the intent was to avoid FOIA. Hillary didn't even hand over any of her work emails until two years after she left office. And only then she did so after deleting roughly half of them (deleting them in such a way that they were completely unrecoverable, by the way).

Of course, with respect to mishandling classified information, intent was not actually part of the statute, despite what the esteemed "Justice" Comey may have thought was the case.

This is all in the thread. Both I and TBD worked very hard on that thread while fending off all manner of insults and other attempts to disrupt and distract from our analyses. Read it and ye shall learn.

 

[plague311]

There was actually an email from Huma Abedin which was pretty damning, which implied that if using an official blackberry was still going to subject its content to FOIA requests, then there was no point. There was also an email from Colin Powell recommending using private email as a way to avoid FOIA.

So, not really evidence as much as it is bad optics. So, nothing then?

Aside from that, it was obvious that the intent was to avoid FOIA in my opinion.

FTFY

Hillary didn't even hand over any of her work emails until two years after she left office. And only then she did so after deleting roughly half of them (deleting them in such a way that they were completely unrecoverable, by the way).

Pretty much all of this is wrong, and completely flies in the face of all available evidence. Aside from not turning in information until two years after. Which no previous SoS had any information to turn over at all.

Of course, with respect to mishandling classified information, intent was not actually part of the statute, despite what the esteemed "Justice" Comey may have thought was the case.

This is all in the thread. Both I and TBD worked very hard on that thread while fending off all manner of insults and other attempts to disrupt and distract from our analyses. Read it and ye shall learn.

Yeah, read it and you'll see the complete ********, innuendo, and nonsense that was tried to pass off as fact. Just like this exact post, it's mostly sunmaster and The Big Dog throwing out their opinions in an area they have no knowledge in at all, while trying to sound like they know everything.

I agree that it's worth a read, but probably only for comedy.

 

[applecorped]

11/8 still stings for many

 

[Segnosaur]

The two are not really the same in my opinion. One used a private server, the other used a public email service\server.

Which of course means that the email problems by the Trumpkins might actually be a more significant problem.

After all, Hillary could hire people she knew were competent and safe to maintain her server. People using hotmail/gmail/etc. are trusting that their emails are not being accessed by some 3rd party at the hosting site.

 

[The Big Dog]

Just like this exact post, it's mostly sunmaster and The Big Dog throwing out their opinions in an area they have no knowledge in at all, while trying to sound like they know everything.

I agree that it's worth a read, but probably only for comedy.

well we were promised hypocrisy and this thread has already paid off in spades...

 

[The Big Dog]

Which of course means that the email problems by the Trumpkins might actually be a more significant problem.

After all, Hillary could hire people she knew were competent and safe to maintain her server. People using hotmail/gmail/etc. are trusting that their emails are not being accessed by some 3rd party at the hosting site.

except at Platte River, Datto, the server farm....

 

[plague311]

except at Platte River, Datto, the server farm....

Can you guess the amount of servers that packets go through when going through public servers? How frequently public email servers get hacked and it leaks out? The amount of employees that have access to email servers in an industry like gmail, yahoo, etc.?

 

[CapelDodger]

There was actually an email from Huma Abedin which was pretty damning, which implied that if using an official blackberry was still going to subject its content to FOIA requests, then there was no point. There was also an email from Colin Powell recommending using private email as a way to avoid FOIA.

That wasn't so hard, was it, but still beyond The Big Dog.

 

[The Big Dog]

That wasn't so hard, was it, but still beyond The Big Dog.

Nothing you could not have looked up yourself.

Good to see we are on the same page on the classified part!

 

[Darth Rotor]

Don't worry. This is completely different from Clinton's e-mail scandal.

No it isn't. This is entertainment. I'll buy the first bucket of popcorn. If those nitwits can't learn from previous nitwits' mistakes, then let us all laugh at them for being stupid beyond repair.

 

[Stacko]

At Least 6 White House Advisers Used Private Email Accounts



Man, the non-hypocritical Clinton critics from 2016 are gonna be pissed about this!

The NSA warned the Trump admin against using personal emails.

The National Security Agency warned senior White House officials in classified briefings that improper use of personal cellphones and email could make them vulnerable to espionage by Russia, China, Iran and other adversaries, according to officials familiar with the briefings.

The briefings came soon after President Donald Trump was sworn into office on Jan. 20, and before some top aides, including senior adviser Jared Kushner, used their personal email and phones to conduct official White House business, as disclosed by POLITICO this week.

The NSA briefers explained that cyberspies could be using sophisticated malware to turn the personal cellphones of White House aides into clandestine listening devices, to take photos and video without the user’s knowledge and to transfer vast amounts of data via Wi-Fi networks and Bluetooth, according to one former senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the briefings.

 

[quadraginta]

The NSA warned the Trump admin against using personal emails.

What is really astounding is that anyone in politics would even need such a warning after the entire debacle over Clinton's emails.

Especially anyone aligned with the GOP.

That Trump's people still cavalierly disregarded all of that shows the profound extent of their general scorn for everyone but themselves.

Also their jaw-dropping stupidity.

 

[mgidm86]

While the private email accounts spurred accusations of hypocrisy from Democrats, there are differences. Mrs. Clinton stored classified information on a private server, and she exclusively used a private account for her government work, sending or receiving tens of thousands of emails. The content and frequency of the Trump advisers’ emails remain unknown, but Trump administration officials described the use of personal accounts as sporadic. The emails have not been made public.

“All White House personnel have been instructed to use official email to conduct all government related work,” Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, said Monday in response to questions about the emails. “They are further instructed that if they receive work-related communication on personal accounts, they should be forwarded to official email accounts.”

Not enough information. Were they forwarded (probably not)? Is all of this actually true? You would think more information would be wanted before printing such a story - how many emails, what type of work, are they classified? How was this information gathered?

Pretty stupid if it is true, but even if it is this is not on par with what Clinton did. Deleting, lies, her own private server, the Huma email - geez come on.

Trump is certainly capable of being just as stupid, or worse, but so far this is typical CNN/NY Times fare. Look at CNN's site right now and count the number of anti-Trump headlines. It's incredible.

If these guys broke any laws then prosecute them. I never insisted Clinton should go to jail, just that she was a big smelly turd.

 

[CapelDodger]

Nothing you could not have looked up yourself.

Nothing you couldn't have said yourself if you'd known. sunmaster14 at least knows how he thinks it's been "shown". It appears you simply take it on faith.

Of course, the point of using a private email server is to keep purely private correspondance from archiving. People do have private lives even when members of the government, after all. Hence the deletion of 33,000 purely private emails - for all any of us know. What we do know is that many more emails weren't deleted. Have you ever wondered why not?