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By the way, just to clarify, too late for editing, ex Gov. Douglas is either lying or misinformed, or fudging words. Mead did not use the precise word "eugenics" at the time (it was first used in the 1880's but was not common), but he counted all sorts of things including criminality and prostitution and the like as belonging to the class of "defectives," which he claimed was increasing dangerously, and advocated restrictive marriage laws, segregation of defectives, and sterilization. He was quite vociferous about it.
 
catsmate said:
In other local news out indigenous religious nutters are back in court:
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0328/1366843-simeon-burke-court/
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0328/1366811-enoch-burke/
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novaphile said:
I'm having trouble making sense of that (the Simeon Burke article).

Is this another case of the 'Freemen of the Land/Sovereign Citizen' ******** that seems to be infecting the brains of morons around the world?
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I was confused because I misread "religious" as "indigenous"! Appears to be normal right-wing Xian trans-phobia.
 
Yes, it's hard to make sense of the Burke stuff if you haven't been following it, but I read to the bottom of the second link and they finally reminded us of what it's all about. Burke objected, presumably in a fairly objectionable way, when told that a student was to be addressed by a new set of pronouns.
 
novaphile said:
I'm having trouble making sense of that (the Simeon Burke article).

Is this another case of the 'Freemen of the Land/Sovereign Citizen' ******** that seems to be infecting the brains of morons around the world?
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No, the Burkes are part of the protestant wing of the ultra far-right christian nationalist groupings that infest Irish society (more prominent groups areLolek Ltd t/a the iOnanist Institution or the [strikethrough]Hitler[/strikethrough] Jugend Defence). They are utterly horrified that Ireland left the 6th century CE and are now a modern multicultural, secular and tolerant society.

Think the likes of Pat Robertson (in fact these goms get funding from the same far right billionaires the US christian fascists do).

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Burkes do go down the FotL route eventually.
 
bruto said:
Yes, it's hard to make sense of the Burke stuff if you haven't been following it, but I read to the bottom of the second link and they finally reminded us of what it's all about. Burke objected, presumably in a fairly objectionable way, when told that a student was to be addressed by a new set of pronouns.
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Burke objected in the usual boorish fashion, and then proceeded (at a later date) to initiate a physical altercation with the principal at a public event over the matter.

Incidentally, a year prior a similar instruction was given re another student who was transitioning. The first time, not a peep of dissent out of Burke; given his bully boy characteristics, he was probably afraid of getting his block knocked off the first time round if he showed his true homophobia.
 
novaphile said:
I'm having trouble making sense of that (the Simeon Burke article).

Is this another case of the 'Freemen of the Land/Sovereign Citizen' ******** that seems to be infecting the brains of morons around the world?
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More "my religious beliefs trump everything else". Followed by a noisy tantrum.
 
Trebuchet said:
I was confused because I misread "religious" as "indigenous"! Appears to be normal right-wing Xian trans-phobia.
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Much of the religious bigotry here is imported, or at least supported by USAian bigot money.
 
Ah, thanks team.

I shouldn't have stopped at the first article.

The ranting in Court stuff is just a general Karen/Kevin thing then I guess.

If you ever want to see bizarre human behaviour search for 'Karen' and 'Court' in youtube.

The amounts of breathtakingly stupid behaviour is astonishing.

i.e.

Judge: "30 days contempt of Court, if you speak again I'll give you another 30."
Karen: "You have no!"
Judge: "60 days"
 
catsmate said:
Bump.
Enoch Burke loses. No doubt the tantrums will continue.

Also an interesting case regarding pro per defendants. Can a person have legal representation forced upon them?
https://www.thejournal.ie/drunk-driver-appeals-conviction-fatal-crash-6072576-May2023/
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Saw that about Burke, at this stage he'll have to ◊◊◊◊ off to America. There are still a couple of related cases ongoing, his sister Ammi has a GSOC complaint against the Gardaí who, as oredered by a High Court judge, removed her and another brother from court after serious and illegal disruption of proceedings. She's also complaining that a number of judges are unfit for office, simply because they don't agree with her insane reading of the law. The family are millimetres away from being FotLs.
 
Meanwhile in my town's community groups it's the usual complaints about drivers, posts about lost dogs, and koala sightings.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Saw that about Burke, at this stage he'll have to ◊◊◊◊ off to America.
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One can but hope.
Though I don't think Simeon would be joining him....

Gulliver Foyle said:
Ammi has a GSOC complaint against the Gardaí who, as ordered by a High Court judge, removed her and another brother from court after serious and illegal disruption of proceedings. She's also complaining that a number of judges are unfit for office, simply because they don't agree with her insane reading of the law.
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Indeed. She and Simeon are effectively unemployable in the legal professions also.

Gulliver Foyle said:
The family are millimetres away from being FotLs.
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Our local FMOTLers are currently watching their comrades on trial.
 
Meanwhile, in Rotherham...

Pensioner asks — please help me find my special Rotherham United walking stick
By Gareth Dennison on Fri 19 May 2023

A DEVOTED Millers supporter has appealed for fellow fans to keep an eye for his lost one-of-a-kind RUFC walking stick.


Apparently nowt much 'as 'appened since Friday.
 
catsmate said:
Indeed. She and Simeon are effectively unemployable in the legal professions also.
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Given what came out during the Workplace Relations Commission case, I would say that Ammi originally had a pretty good case for unfair or constructive dismissal. But she couldn't keep control of her own actions, and more importantly, couldn't resist bringing her mother in to cast all sorts of aspersions and make the hearing a farce.

She's her own worst enemy.
 
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