Liberal or Concervative

[Tricky]

That's good. But I was only quoting Birch Barlowe, the Simpson's Rush Limbaugh from the time Sideshow Bob ran for Mayor. That was the title of his book.

I knew it was in jest, that's why I replied in jest.

Bloom County used to have some hilarious strips about this. I remember one where Milo and his uncle went "liberal hunting". He would lure the liberals out of the tall grass by calling "No nukes - no nukes".

 

[Tricky]

That a person can be classified “liberal” and still support infringements on personal rights, such as high taxes and "gun control", is another thing that really doesn’t make sense. Furthermore, how can a "liberal", who is suppose to be against racism and discrimination, support affirmative action? I guess there really are hypocrites everywhere.

Because real liberals see the "big picture", rather than their own, narrow, selfish wants.

 

[Grammatron]

*snip*
There are probably a few more. In addition, liberals tend to be Democrats or Green Party and conservatives tend to be Republican or Libertarian (though Libertarians may be very liberal in some ways, especially with regard to drug laws.)

I'm sure a lot of people will argue with these lists. Well, that's probably why Grammatron started the thread.

Indeed. Thank you for the list, but it's just like I thought there is no definite answer any more. If I was to try to align myself with either list it would be neither and the combination of both, also some points are arguable, like "Pro environment" which if we go by Green party definition I'm not, would it make me against environment?

To me it appears the best way to define people is on per issue basis otherwise it's not going to be accurate.

 

[Tony]

Because real liberals see the "big picture", rather than their own, narrow, selfish wants.

Then they aren't really liberal if they don't account for other people's narrow and selfish wants. They are just another group of authoritarians who want to push their moral outlook on everyone else. Not too different from "conservatives".

 

[Grammatron]

Because real liberals see the "big picture", rather than their own, narrow, selfish wants.

That goes hard-core against individualism. As someone who is extremely pro-individualism and against "society" -- whatever that might be -- I don't agree that being "selfish" is ignoring the "big picture." I think allowing people to be "selfish" is what freedom is all about.

 

[Hexxenhammer]

I knew it was in jest, that's why I replied in jest.

Bloom County used to have some hilarious strips about this. I remember one where Milo and his uncle went "liberal hunting". He would lure the liberals out of the tall grass by calling "No nukes - no nukes".

And then after they shoot one, he cries "Ow! Socialized medicine! Socialized medicine!" I learned all my politics from Bloom County as a pre-teen.

 

[Dragonrock]

That goes hard-core against individualism. As someone who is extremely pro-individualism and against "society" -- whatever that might be -- I don't agree that being "selfish" is ignoring the "big picture." I think allowing people to be "selfish" is what freedom is all about.

It's important to realize that people are generally selfish about everything. Everyone worrys about what affects them, people just see different things as affecting them.

Wide ranging, feel-good, touchy-feely, policies exist less to help people than to ease the guilt of people who feel they have too much money.

 

[hammegk]

Because real liberals see the "big picture", rather than their own, narrow, selfish wants.

You are getting closer. Libs think they are better qualified to define what you think and I think than you are or I am.

Does anyone not understand the applicability of my sig's Procrustes bed comment?

 

[Samus]

I prefer to put the terms in context with the subject.

For example, a fiscal conservative is one who wants the government to spend less, and to fund less programs. Libertarians are very much fiscal conservatives, because they want government to de-scope quite a bit. I am a fiscal conservative.

On the other hand, a social conservative is one that wishes to maintain the traditional notion of "family values", like the definition of marriage and restricting deviant behavior (whatever deviant is defined to mean). Most American Christian morals fall into this category. I am not a social conservative.

A liberal stance is, as most have described, a desire to change the status quo to a more broad and encompassing one. Broadening the definition of marriage, for example.

 

[Tricky]

That goes hard-core against individualism. As someone who is extremely pro-individualism and against "society" -- whatever that might be -- I don't agree that being "selfish" is ignoring the "big picture." I think allowing people to be "selfish" is what freedom is all about.

You and Tony are correct. Liberals, and variable-position people such as myself, want some anti-selfish things in place, even if it means the government enforcing them. For the good of America, you understand.

 

[Grammatron]

You and Tony are correct. Liberals, and variable-position people such as myself, want some anti-selfish things in place, even if it means the government enforcing them. For the good of America, you understand.

That implies you know better and since you keep arguing on the Internet it show you do not

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

What I don't get is why you said don't trust a dictionary and then linked to a dictionary.

i linked to a dictionary because that is where the definitions i used came from. My linking it doesn't mean that you should trust it's political definitions.....the terms I used arent political...they are the root words/ideas

my god son........you are a walking LD and a headache.....

 

[Evolver]

That implies you know better and since you keep arguing on the Internet it show you do not

OOOhh. Score one for Grammatron. against the King of Phlame, no less.

 

[Tony]

Liberals, and variable-position people such as myself, want some anti-selfish things in place, even if it means the government enforcing them.

Hence, you are not liberal.

 

[Tricky]

That implies you know better and since you keep arguing on the Internet it show you do not

I'm just saying, as everyone knows, that both liberals and conservatives are in favor of government intervention in some situations. (And they both believe they are for the "good of the nation", hence the smiley.)

I have no clue what you are trying to say here.

 

[Tricky]

OOOhh. Score one for Grammatron. against the King of Phlame, no less.

OOOhh. I see that liberals are not the only ones in favor of drug decriminilization.

 

[Tricky]

Hence, you are not liberal.

No, I'm not a liberal by your definition. However, since you use a definition that is totally contrary to those used by any knowledgable people, that doesn't bother me a lot.

Besides, as I mentioned earlier (which you would have known, if you would read the posts), a person can be liberal (or conservative) in general but the opposite on specific points.

 

[Grammatron]

I'm just saying, as everyone knows, that both liberals and conservatives are in favor of government intervention in some situations. (And they both believe they are for the "good of the nation, hence the smiley.)

I have no clue what you are trying to say here.

It's just a joke.

You are of course correct, both of the extremes want some control over something. I'm not a libertarian myself and want to see oversight here and there but there is such thing as too much control and too many regulations.

 

[Tricky]

It's just a joke.

Yes, but I got lost in the twisted syntax and missed the punch line. I'm guessing it was something like, "you may think that you know what is good for the country, but your positions here suggest you do not."

Hmm... I give it a 4 on the Phlame-meter.

You are of course correct, both of the extremes want some control over something. I'm not a libertarian myself and want to see oversight here and there but there is such thing as too much control and too many regulations.

And there's also a thing as too few regulations. Right now, I feel we have too few regulations on polluters and kareoke clubs. They both are damaging our environment without conscience.

 

[Tony]

No, I'm not a liberal by your definition. However, since you use a definition that is totally contrary to those used by any knowledgable people, that doesn't bother me a lot.

When did I ever say you weren't _a_ liberal? I said you weren't liberal. Just because you happen to agree with a polical group of people that call themselves "liberals", doesnt mean you are liberal....

"My" definition for liberal is the one found in the dictionary:

Main Entry: 1lib·er·al
Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free; perhaps akin to Old English lEodan to grow, Greek eleutheros free
1 a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education> b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
2 a : marked by generosity : OPENHANDED <a liberal giver> b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal> c : AMPLE, FULL
3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : LICENTIOUS
4 : not literal or strict : LOOSE <a liberal translation>
5 : BROAD-MINDED; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
6 a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

I apologize if you are having a hard time coming to grips with your fascism.