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Baptism by authority on this earth, either preferably in person while in mortality, or by proxy when deceased, is a requisite to enable progression in the eternities.

Baptism by authority is a requirement for every mortal who has ever lived on this earth... otherwise their progression is restricted and they cannot inherit eternal salvation.
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What about those who did not wish to be Mormon? Do you have some kind of notion that everyone changes their minds after they die? Or do you think there are those who will NEVER convert, and that being baptised by proxy might be a genuine insult?
 
2 Nephi 14:1 And in that day, seven women shall take hold of one man, saying: We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel; only let us be called by thy name to take away our reproach.

My wife didn't take my last name when we married. Does this make our marriage invalid or taint it with reproach?

If I have a concubine, will our children still be bastards if she takes my name? (I'm kinda working on this, so it's an important question)
 
The Mormons are the ones where the women have the secret names, aren't they? A guy marries a dozen women, but when he dies he only calls one out of her grave. So they all break their spines making him happy while he's alive.....

Yeah.... Nice. :( And "pure" too.... :(
 
Even in the after life free agency allows the person to accept or reject the Eternal Gospel. Baptism by proxy is of no effect if the individual does not accept the ordinance.
DragonLady said:
What about those who did not wish to be Mormon? Do you have some kind of notion that everyone changes their minds after they die? Or do you think there are those who will NEVER convert, and that being baptised by proxy might be a genuine insult?
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RandFan said:
It violates parsimony and makes a claim that cannot be verified.

When I was on my mission we had a prospective member who told us that she was visited by Jesus and told that the Mormon Church was of the Devil and to stop meeting with us. She was very upset and sorry.

Such claims can be explained though human psychology. There isn't a single major religion on earth that doesn't have millions of such anecdotes.
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Jesus told me that I am the newest prophet, and that everyone should follow me or burn in a lake of fire forever.

And that you should all tithe me a mere 5% of your earnings. It's a savings!:boxedin:
 
Janadele said:
Even in the after life free agency allows the person to accept or reject the Eternal Gospel. Baptism by proxy is of no effect if the individual does not accept the ordinance.
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Why do you follow a religion that preaches hatred and intolerance?
 
Janadele said:
Even in the after life free agency allows the person to accept or reject the Eternal Gospel. Baptism by proxy is of no effect if the individual does not accept the ordinance.
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So then why have baptism by proxy at all?
 
DragonLady said:
The Mormons are the ones where the women have the secret names, aren't they? A guy marries a dozen women, but when he dies he only calls one out of her grave. So they all break their spines making him happy while he's alive.....

Yeah.... Nice. :( And "pure" too.... :(
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I was under the impression that all of a man's wives remain bound to him in the afterlife. I'd hate to woo a concubine, have children with her and include them among the multitudes populating my own planet only to have her excluded from what I build. That would just be heartless.

1 Nephi 21:26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; they shall be drunken with their own blood as with sweet wine; and all flesh shall know that I, the Lord, am thy Savior and thy Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.
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Aaaand it looks like God is on board with being heartless.

Alma 12:17 Then is the time when their torments shall be as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever; and then is the time that they shall be chained down to an everlasting destruction, according to the power and captivity of Satan, he having subjected them according to his will.
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WOAH! Wait a minute! I thought Mormons didn't have a Hell. What gives?

Janadele,

It's clear that the Book of Mormon describes Hell. How come there's a myth that Mormons don't believe in Hell when it's RIGHT THERE IN THE BOOK OF MORMON?!?
 
Janadele said:
:) You are blessed with such a wife. My best wishes to her.
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Thanks, yeah, I know that. :) But, um, that's it? I asked what I thought was an intelligent, reasonable question, well within LDS doctrine, and was hoping for more discussion.

halleyscomet said:
It's clear that the Book of Mormon describes Hell. How come there's a myth that Mormons don't believe in Hell when it's RIGHT THERE IN THE BOOK OF MORMON?!?
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Never knew there was such a myth. Mormons believe in different layers of heaven/hell, with the worst, the one that fits most religions' definition of hell, being Outer Darkness. Google it to learn more. Most people aren't even potentially eligible for there, so I suppose it's not brought up much, which is maybe how such a myth could get started.
 
Haley,
Only marriages sealed by authority in an LDS Temple are for eternity, and then only if the participants keep their covenants.

As for mortality, a marriage is legal if recognised as such in your place of residence. Merely taking a name will not legitimise your children.

Regarding your quoted Scripture:
This is referencing the last days when marriageable men will be scarce, and polygamy will most probably be legally introduced in order for women to be able to marry and bear children within a legally protected family environment.

halleyscomet said:
2 Nephi 14:1 And in that day, seven women shall take hold of one man, saying: We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel; only let us be called by thy name to take away our reproach.

My wife didn't take my last name when we married. Does this make our marriage invalid or taint it with reproach?

If I have a concubine, will our children still be bastards if she takes my name? (I'm kinda working on this, so it's an important question)
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There would be few foolish enough to reject the saving ordinance of Baptism. Most deceased mortals are waiting anxiously for their families to do this work for them... which they neglected to do for themselves during their mortal lifetime.

But as in all things our Heavenly Father allows His children to choose for themselves, and take the consequences of their actions.

godless dave said:
So then why have baptism by proxy at all?
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Pup said:
Never knew there was such a myth. Mormons believe in different layers of heaven/hell, with the worst, the one that fits most religions' definition of hell, being Outer Darkness. Google it to learn more. Most people aren't even potentially eligible for there, so I suppose it's not brought up much, which is maybe how such a myth could get started.
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The Mormon Church doesn't have an in-depth equivalent of the Catholic Catechism. From my understanding, Mormon beliefs loosely fall into 3 basic categories. Official church doctrine, member beliefs, academic apologetics.

The Mormon Church typically does not try very hard (if at all) to disabuse the members of beliefs like mother god, blood doctrine and thousands of urban legends and myths. The Church has never, AFAIK, announced to the membership formally that the Blood atonement (not to be confused with the atonement of Christ), Adam-god doctrine, etc, are not official doctrine.

Also, the Mormon Church refers members to the apologetics of academics like BYU professors and organizations like FAIR and FARMS. The Church does not necassarily hold that these apologetics are official doctrine.

See the following article that was written by a Mormon apologist. Mormon Doctrine, What’s Official, And What Isn’t?
 
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Janadele said:
There would be few foolish enough to reject the saving ordinance of Baptism. Most deceased mortals are waiting anxiously for their families to do this work for them... which they neglected to do for themselves during their mortal lifetime.

But as in all things our Heavenly Father allows His children to choose for themselves, and take the consequences of their actions.
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This is certainly your belief, I understand that part, but is there evidence for it? Is it stated somewhere in the Book of Mormon, or is it something you were taught by the Church, or is it something you have come to believe on your own. I am genuinely curious as to the basis for your belief.
 
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