Lafayette Park Update

[Bogative]

As many here have noted, certain ex-administration members are trying to build a case of "Not me, your honour! I was never there! I'm pure as the driven snow!" in regards to this fiasco. They would have been better just shutting up and riding the wave...out of town forever, back to cut-throat corporate USA or wherever they came from.

"As many here have noted"? Uhh, no. Many here have speculated that the report is wrong, full of omissions or is CYA because it doesn't match preconceived notions that Trump ordered the park to be cleared for a photo op.

Point out in the article you provided exactly what the report got wrong. No speculation, no assertion, no wishful thinking, just a relevant fact that proves the IG report was a whitewash to cover for Trump.

 

[Bogative]

Just out of curiosity, what is your opinion about US Authorities using violence and tear gas to clear out mostly peaceful protesters exercising their 1st Amendment Rights, beating a number of those protesters as well as members of the press, all just to build a fence?

I think they should be fired and prosecuted if their behavior was criminal.

"All just to build a fence?" is one way to frame the question. You left out the part about why they were building a fence and removing the mostly peaceful protesters.

The protests continued on May 30 and 31 and were mostly peaceful during the day. Similar to May 29, however, acts of violence increased in the late afternoon and evenings. USPP officers reported that some protesters threw projectiles, such as bricks, rocks, caustic liquids, frozen water bottles, glass bottles, lit flares, rental scooters, and fireworks, at law enforcement officials. A DCNG major, who served as the DCNG liaison to the USPP on June I, told us that "Saturday [May 30] ... had been rather violent ... [ and] it was riotous" and "Sunday [May 31] ... was what I expected ... people throwing bottles, hurling [objects], shooting fireworks ... at officers." Overall, 49 USPP officers were injured during the protests from May 29 to May 31, including one who underwent surgery for his injuries. The Secret Service and the DCNG also reported injuries to their personnel during this time. Damage to both Federal and private property also occurred during the protests. With respect to Lafayette Park, historic statues were vandalized with graffiti, and on May 31, the park's comfort station was set on fire (see Figures 2 and 3). A fire was also set in the basement at St. John's Church on May 31. Nearby stores and businesses were looted.

 

[Norman Alexander]

"As many here have noted"? Uhh, no. Many here have speculated that the report is wrong, full of omissions or is CYA because it doesn't match preconceived notions that Trump ordered the park to be cleared for a photo op.

Point out in the article you provided exactly what the report got wrong. No speculation, no assertion, no wishful thinking, just a relevant fact that proves the IG report was a whitewash to cover for Trump.

There is no "pre-conceived notion" involved. All the detailed, timed video evidence and reportage contradicts this report, not confirms it. More detail continues to appear that fill in blanks and adjust the narrative toward the whole truth, whatever it was. Even Barr is on video now giving the infamous directives to the police just moments before the attacks begin, having just come from T**** personally. I suspect he wasn't there to pass on baseball scores.

The report is nonsense. It does not fit the known facts, and gets more silly the more facts appear. WHY it is nonsense, why it even exists, is open to speculation. Although the best and most obvious answer is a great big CYA. Especially for rabid MAGAites for whom the Shambling Shirker could do no wrong.

 

[Bogative]

There is no "pre-conceived notion" involved. All the detailed, timed video evidence and reportage contradicts this report, not confirms it. More detail continues to appear that fill in blanks and adjust the narrative toward the whole truth, whatever it was. Even Barr is on video now giving the infamous directives to the police just moments before the attacks begin, having just come from T**** personally. I suspect he wasn't there to pass on baseball scores.

The report is nonsense. It does not fit the known facts, and gets more silly the more facts appear. WHY it is nonsense, why it even exists, is open to speculation. Although the best and most obvious answer is a great big CYA. Especially for rabid MAGAites for whom the Shambling Shirker could do no wrong.

No evidence of Trump or Barr ordering the park to be cleared, then. Only wishful thinking.

 

[Norman Alexander]

No evidence of Trump or Barr ordering the park to be cleared, then. Only wishful thinking.

Apart from the video of Barr talking to the coordinator of police, having come directly from Blobba The Hutt's office, moments before the very same police started wading in with shields and batons so El Gordo could then walk across that same street and look foolish on TV.

What do YOU think Barr said? And who do YOU think told him to say it?

Just because we don't have a notorised memorandum of the meeting, you are claiming it never happened. Well, the Japanese never sent a memo to the USA on 7-Dec-1941, so neither did Pearl Harbour happen, according to you.

 

[Craig4]

Apart from the video of Barr talking to the coordinator of police, having come directly from Blobba The Hutt's office, moments before the very same police started wading in with shields and batons so El Gordo could then walk across that same street and look foolish on TV.

What do YOU think Barr said? And who do YOU think told him to say it?

Just because we don't have a notorised memorandum of the meeting, you are claiming it never happened. Well, the Japanese never sent a memo to the USA on 7-Dec-1941, so neither did Pearl Harbour happen, according to you.

https://thehill.com/policy/national...hdog-finds-failings-but-no-trump-influence-in

Barr told the Park Police Commander POTUS was visiting the par and asked if the protestors would still be there. It's obvious that the intent of the question was to ensure the police would attack the protestors in advance of the photo op.

 

[Norman Alexander]

https://thehill.com/policy/national...hdog-finds-failings-but-no-trump-influence-in

Barr told the Park Police Commander POTUS was visiting the par and asked if the protestors would still be there. It's obvious that the intent of the question was to ensure the police would attack the protestors in advance of the photo op.

Exactly. He used the same wording Mafia Don uses: Make them an offer they can't refuse. IOW, T**** ordered it, directly.

 

[Bogative]

What do YOU think Barr said? And who do YOU think told him to say it?

I don't have to think anything.

The USPP operations commander said the Attorney General asked him, “Are these people still going to be here when POTUS [President of the United States] comes out?” The USPP operations commander told us he had not known until then that the President would be coming out of the White House and into Lafayette Park. He said he replied to the Attorney General, “Are you freaking kidding me?” and then hung his head and walked away. The Attorney General then left Lafayette Park. The USPP operations commander denied that the Attorney General ordered him to clear Lafayette Park and H Street.

And

Both the USPP incident commander and the USPP operations commander told us the USPP initiated the operational plan before the Attorney General arrived in Lafayette Park and that the Attorney General’s presence in the park had no influence on the USPP’s timeline for the operation.

I do think I've indulged the conspiracy baloney enough, at least until the next time a report comes out for you Lafayette Park truthers to ignore.

 

[Stacyhs]

Ah yes he was clearly there to deescalate the situation.

It is simple who are you going to believe the official report or your lying eyes? Clearly the former.

I believe what the known evidence demonstrates and what every person interviewed said: "they had no reason to believe that the Attorney General's visit to the park at 6: 10 p.m. influenced the Secret Service's early deployment."
If you can show me on the video where Barr is directing the SS to deploy, I'll be glad to re-evaluate. Until then, I refuse to jump on your unproven 'Greenblatt is a Trump stooge' bandwagon.

The report is nonsense. It does not fit the known facts, and gets more silly the more facts appear. WHY it is nonsense, why it even exists, is open to speculation. Although the best and most obvious answer is a great big CYA. Especially for rabid MAGAites for whom the Shambling Shirker could do no wrong.

And what would those "known facts" and "more facts appearing" be exactly that disprove the report? I'd love to see them with citations because I'm not interested in claims that aren't supported by evidence.

There is no "pre-conceived notion" involved. All the detailed, timed video evidence and reportage contradicts this report, not confirms it. More detail continues to appear that fill in blanks and adjust the narrative toward the whole truth, whatever it was. Even Barr is on video now giving the infamous directives to the police just moments before the attacks begin, having just come from T**** personally. I suspect he wasn't there to pass on baseball scores.

Again: please present these claimed "more details" that are appearing with citations. And no, "All the detailed, timed video evidence and reportage" does not contradict the report at all. You do have a tendency to make claims but not support them.

Of course you have a pre-conceived notion. We all did including many Republicans who condemned Trump, Barr and his entourage because of what we saw....but could not hear...when it came to Barr and the timing. You are assuming what Barr said, which is contrary to what those interviewed said Barr said.

Apart from the video of Barr talking to the coordinator of police, having come directly from Blobba The Hutt's office, moments before the very same police started wading in with shields and batons so El Gordo could then walk across that same street and look foolish on TV.

What do YOU think Barr said? And who do YOU think told him to say it?

What do I think Barr said? I wasn't there so won't put words in his mouth like you do. What do those whom Barr talked to say he said to them? This:

News video showed the USPP operations commander speaking with the Attorney General and then hanging his head, while another unidentified official patted the USPP operations commander on the back.
When we asked the USPP operations commander about this exchange, he stated he told the Attorney General the area was unsafe and asked him and the other officials to move away from the line of officers. The USPP operations commander told us the Attorney General then asked him why the crowd was still on H Street and said he thought they would be gone by that point. The USPP operations commander told us he advised the Attorney General that they were getting into position to move the crowd. He stated he again advised the Attorney General that the Attorney General was not in a safe area and should move further from the crowd. The USPP operations commander said the Attorney General asked him, “Are these people still going to be here when POTUS [President of the United States] comes out?” The USPP operations commander told us he had not known until then that the President would be coming out of the White House and into Lafayette Park. He said he replied to the Attorney General, “Are you freaking kidding me?” and then hung his head and walked away. The Attorney General then left Lafayette Park. The USPP operations commander denied that the Attorney General ordered him to clear Lafayette Park and H Street.

The USPP operations commander told us he informed the USPP acting chief of police of the Attorney General’s question regarding whether the protesters would still be there when the President came out. The USPP operations commander said the USPP acting chief of police told him he did not know what the Attorney General was talking about. The USPP operations commander said he did not speak with the USPP incident commander, who was preparing to issue the dispersal warnings to the protesters at that time, and he did not know whether the USPP acting chief of police spoke with the USPP incident commander before the USPP incident commander executed the operational plan. When we interviewed the USPP acting chief of police, he did not recall the specifics of what the USPP operations commander relayed to him about the conversation with the Attorney General.

Are you now going to call the USPP operations commander and the USPP acting chief of police liars, too? I would think the USPP acting chief of police would remember being told that the Attorney General had ordered the SS to deploy early. But maybe he's a pathological liar too?

Just because we don't have a notorised memorandum of the meeting, you are claiming it never happened. Well, the Japanese never sent a memo to the USA on 7-Dec-1941, so neither did Pearl Harbour happen, according to you.

Two things:
1) I never claimed a "meeting didn't happen". I said the statements of those involved do not support your claim that Barr ordered the SS to deploy early. And they don't as I've presented the appropriate parts of the report. Please learn to read for comprehension.

2) Lousy analogy since I never claimed Barr didn't talk to the USPP operations commander as the video clearly shows he did.

You really have no idea that your argument here just reinforces the Trumper view that we all suffer from "TDS", do you?

 

[Stacyhs]

https://thehill.com/policy/national...hdog-finds-failings-but-no-trump-influence-in

Barr told the Park Police Commander POTUS was visiting the par and asked if the protestors would still be there. It's obvious that the intent of the question was to ensure the police would attack the protestors in advance of the photo op.

No, it's not. What a silly statement. That's what you want it to be so badly that it's all you can infer. As much as I detest Barr and Trump, I refuse to succumb to "TDS" and see things only through those glasses. Why? Because it makes the Trumper accusations that we who despise him all suffer from TDS true. You can't have your own 'facts' just because they suit you.

 

[sackett]

Odd, Trrrumph fans pretending that Donny the Manly Man didn't order his goons to attack those
N-words, newsfakers, and commie agitators over there. It's a sorry fascist who doesn't rejoice at the sound of nightsticks landing on librul heads.

We live in candyassed times.

 

[Stacyhs]

Exactly. He used the same wording Mafia Don uses: Make them an offer they can't refuse. IOW, T**** ordered it, directly.

So now you're calling the USPP operations commander a liar, too, in addition to calling IG Greenblatt a liar and Trump sycophant. Because, from your usual anything Trump related unbiased and non-preconceived ideas viewpoint, you know what 'really' was said between them. Right? Someone alert the Psychic Network.

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[Mumbles]

So now you're calling the USPP operations commander a liar, too, in addition to calling IG Greenblatt a liar and Trump sycophant. Because, from your usual anything Trump related unbiased and non-preconceived ideas viewpoint, you know what 'really' was said between them. Right? Someone alert the Psychic Network.

I hate ever appearing to agree with Bogative, but when it comes to TDS, he's not always wrong.

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Won't be joining you.

As for the IG's deal, that's for him to explain, but his report is absurd regardless.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I don't have to think anything.

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Just keep on promoting this latest "operative lie" out of MAGAland, then.

I do think I've indulged the conspiracy baloney enough, at least until the next time a report comes out for you Lafayette Park truthers to ignore.

*sigh* Pathetic, childish attempt at ****-stirring. Ignored.

 

[Lithrael]

I don’t think you have to be a blame-mongering conspiracy buff to think the hilighted quotes from the report there sound a bit ‘nice crowd you got there…. sure would be a shame if something…. didn’t happen to it’

I mean it could just be a genuine jaq moment too, sure. ‘Golly I didn’t think these guys would still be here. Are they still gonna be here in a couple minutes when the prexy comes out? Hm. Well. So glad we had this talk.’

 

[Stacyhs]

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Won't be joining you.

As for the IG's deal, that's for him to explain, but his report is absurd regardless.

I usually agree with you as you usually make sense but explain to me how I "blew up (my) own position". Because I dared to say Bogative isn't always wrong when it comes to TDS? When I see it happening in front of me, I'm not going to pretend it isn't happening just because some people want to believe it doesn't exist. It's like ObamaDS for extreme right wingers who can't view anything Obama did in anything but the most negative way. There are people for whom Trump can do absolutely nothing right, must always be the worst that can possibly be in any situation, etc. Even a broken clock is right twice a day and there are times when Trump is not guilty of something he's been accused of. But some on here are so blinded by their bias (however rightfully held) that they lose any objectivity when it comes to Trump. I prefer not to live with that kind of blindness.

 

[Stacyhs]

I don’t think you have to be a blame-mongering conspiracy buff to think the hilighted quotes from the report there sound a bit ‘nice crowd you got there…. sure would be a shame if something…. didn’t happen to it’

I mean it could just be a genuine jaq moment too, sure. ‘Golly I didn’t think these guys would still be here. Are they still gonna be here in a couple minutes when the prexy comes out? Hm. Well. So glad we had this talk.’

Or, it could have just been a genuine question to ascertain when the park was going to cleared because the POTUS was going to arrive. That would have been a reasonable and logical question to ask. But, no...we must infer the worst possible damning motive and interpretation because...well...it's Trump related.

 

[Craig4]

No, it's not. What a silly statement. That's what you want it to be so badly that it's all you can infer. As much as I detest Barr and Trump, I refuse to succumb to "TDS" and see things only through those glasses. Why? Because it makes the Trumper accusations that we who despise him all suffer from TDS true. You can't have your own 'facts' just because they suit you.

Yeah, that's perfectly logical. I'm sure the Barr only asked out of interest. Maybe he was wondering if the Park Police could help set up a rope-line for Trump to work when he came by. Barr asked after he knew Trump wanted to go do the photo op.

 

[Stacyhs]

Yeah, that's perfectly logical. I'm sure the Barr only asked out of interest. Maybe he was wondering if the Park Police could help set up a rope-line for Trump to work when he came by. Barr asked after he knew Trump wanted to go do the photo op.

Of course Barr asked after he knew Trump was going to do his photo-op. That's why he asked if the protestors were still going to be there.
You think it's illogical that Barr would ask the USPP operations commander if the park was going to be cleared by the time Trump was going to appear? That's illogical to you? Wow.

Like Norman Alexander, you're saying the Ops Commander is a liar.

ETA: This guy is obviously a liar too:

Gregory T. Monahan, acting chief of the Park Police, also denied in testimony to the House Natural Resources Committee that the order to clear the square about a half-hour before Trump’s photo event on June 1 came from the White House, Attorney General William Barr or Interior Secretary David Bernhardt.

 

[Warp12]

I mistakenly clicked on this, thinking it was a Linkin Park update.

Sadly, it wasn't.