Judge's son gunned down, hitman found dead in car

[Skeptic Ginger]

How easy is it to find where judges live?

In the age of the Internet, probably costs $5-10 to look anyone up.


What do we call these guys?

Den Hollander is a notoriously anti-feminist men's rights attorney, whose vitriolic website and book condemn women in rage-filled terms.

It's not coming to me, something about a virgin/blames women for why none of them like him?

 

[LondonJohn]

So the silicon chip inside his head got switched to overload? Shouldn't that have happened today rather than yesterday?

Tell me why........

 

[a_unique_person]

I'm still not getting the Wayfair reference.

 

[StillSleepy]

I'm still not getting the Wayfair reference.

Basically a new grand pedo conspiracy involving seemingly overpriced furniture, such as 1200 lb shelving.

 

[carlitos]

One small detail...he didn't shoot any females he shot the son and his dad.

Daddy doesn’t understand it; he always said she was good as gold.

 

[smartcooky]

One small detail...he didn't shoot any females he shot the son and his dad.

Gender traitors!

 

[smartcooky]

So the silicon chip inside his head got switched to overload? Shouldn't that have happened today rather than yesterday?

I don't like Mondays either!

 

[Vixen]

How easy is it to find where judges live?

In the UK judges addresses are kept secret.

 

[Vixen]

IMO this is a disgruntled ass until proven otherwise. If he had terminal cancer I might reconsider.

One would think it was a case already ruled on, not one pending. How is eliminating a judge on a pending or ongoing trial helpful? There are possibilities but they are far-fetched.

And shooting whomever answered the door plus the husband inside suggests poor planning and impulse shooting.

Failure of imagination. This guy has a sinister background in quasi-espionage and likely espionage proper, even possibly a double agent.

Founded by Jules Kroll in 1972, Kroll Associates would later become known as the “CIA of Wall Street” and “Wall Street’s Private Eye” and was alleged to be an actual front for the CIA by French intelligence agencies, according to theWashington Post. Part of the reason for this nickname, which was once a boasting point for top Kroll executives, owes to the fact that the firm frequently hired former CIA and FBI officers, as well as former members of MI6 and Mossad. K2 Intelligence, the successor to Kroll Associates founded by Jules Kroll and his son Jeremy in 2009, has similar hiring practices, counting former FBI and NSA officials among its ranks alongside former high-ranking members of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Shin Bet, Israel’s domestic intelligence agency. Kroll also boasted ties to the Bush family, with Jonathan Bush (George Bush Sr.’s brother) serving on its corporate advisory board, and Kroll was also employed by Bill Clinton’s first presidential campaign.

Not sure why this has gone to conspiracy theory as if such a thing never happens.

The link to Epstein and Maxwell?

Aside from Kroll Associates’ own role as a private intelligence firm, it is also worth pointing out that Jules Kroll had an odd meeting with Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell’s father, shortly before his death, alleged by most Maxwell biographers and his family to have been a homicide. Roughly two weeks before his death, Kroll met with Maxwell at New York’s Helmsley Palace Hotel. According to a 1992 article in Vanity Fair, “Maxwell had ushered Kroll and two other men out onto the patio so that their conversation could not be overheard or bugged,” with Maxwell allegedly seeking to hire Kroll to uncover “people out to get him, to destroy his empire, to cripple him financially, and to destroy his life and business in any way they could.”

The article further notes that “the meeting broke up with Maxwell’s promising that he would send Kroll what he called “a memorandum of suspicions and unexplained events.” “Maxwell was working on this compendium,” said the [anonymous] participant [in the meeting], “when he met his death.” Kroll Associates was never formally hired.”

http://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/07...rked-for-us-israeli-intelligence-linked-firm/


Do people really think this was a harmless nutter who dressed up in costume to gun down a young lad and his dad? His cover as grief-stricken jilted husband whose Russian wife duped him as soon as she got her green card doesn't wash. There are millions of heartbroken people in the world who do not go out and shoot some sundry judge, who actually was helpful to your case - Salas allowed the case to proceed five years back.

 

[Vixen]

Daddy doesn’t understand it; he always said she was good as gold.

What reasons do you need to be told?

 

[Cosmic Yak]

It is strange an attorney would hold a grudge about losing a case, usually it is a resentful litigant or defendant who feels unjustly treated or made to pay unfair costs. The lawyer gets his or her money in any case. And waiting five years.

Given that this is pretty much the definition of what 'holding a grudge' means, no, I don't find that at all strange.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Given that this is pretty much the definition of what 'holding a grudge' means, no, I don't find that at all strange.

Especially when the record shows that this guy was often both the plaintiff and the attorney in these MRA cases. This wasn't just a job, it was a personal crusade.

The dude was using the courts to go on a mission against women and ran into repeat failure. He seemed to have made this his life's purpose and was floundering miserably. Seems like exactly the kind of thing that could lead to extreme action.

This guy is what you would get if you trained an AI using only legal textbooks and incel/MRA subreddits. A misogynistic golem on a quest to vanquish women.

 

[catsmate]

Failure of imagination. This guy has a sinister background in quasi-espionage and likely espionage proper, even possibly a double agent.

Evidence for this claim?

Not sure why this has gone to conspiracy theory as if such a thing never happens.

Still waiting for you to provide evidence for your assertions.

The link to Epstein and Maxwell?
http://unlimitedhangout.com/2020/07...rked-for-us-israeli-intelligence-linked-firm/

Pathetic.

Do people really think this was a harmless nutter who dressed up in costume to gun down a young lad and his dad? His cover as grief-stricken jilted husband whose Russian wife duped him as soon as she got her green card doesn't wash. There are millions of heartbroken people in the world who do not go out and shoot some sundry judge, who actually was helpful to your case - Salas allowed the case to proceed five years back.

There are "millions of heartbroken people", most of them aren't pathetic misogynistic idiots with fantasies of violence and cancer diagnoses.

In the UK judges addresses are kept secret.

 

[Belz...]

There are millions of heartbroken people in the world who do not go out and shoot some sundry judge

There are also plenty of people who don't kill their family before offing themselves, but there are those who do. Do you think the above is a good argument against the idea?

 

[bknight]

If any developing story had 'conspiracy' written all over it, it has to be the gunning down of Judge Salas' son. Salas had just been appointed five days ago as the judge to preside over the Deutsche Bank money laundering case.

Strong connections to Epstein as one of the charges is allegedly their allowing him to launder his ill-gotten gains there.



So the 'hitman' wearing a Fedex uniform and delivering a 'Fedex parcel' turned out to be a 'disgruntled attorney' who had lost a case under Salas five years ago. He was found shot dead in a car in New York Catskill not long after.

It is strange an attorney would hold a grudge about losing a case, usually it is a resentful litigant or defendant who feels unjustly treated or made to pay unfair costs. The lawyer gets his or her money in any case. And waiting five years.

So it has all the hallmarks of a Lee Oswald type assassination with the hitman being bumped off by another hitman. 'A secret between two people is safe if one is dead'.

Epstein's hand waves out of the grave...?



ETA: the gunman found dead in the car is allegedly Roy Den Hollander and his resumé looks like this:



Spot the Russia connection.

Since he fired on the first and second people who answered the door. Doesn't say whether the Judge was herself at home, presumably performing her duties. The guys conscious got to him and he offed himself. CTs have overactive imaginations and connecting dots.

 

[BStrong]

Seems quite random to just fire at whoever answers the door. That has hitman all over it, as mafia types target family.

Talking out of both sides of your mouth doesn't improve your argument.

As far back as the creation of the Mafia "commission" in the U.S. by Charles Luciano hits on family members of targets was forbidden as well as hits on politicians, judges or law enforcement.

These rules were taken seriously enough tht when Dutch Schultz wanted to cross the line, he was killed on orderes from the commission:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Schultz#Downfall_&_death

Schultz had proposed to the National Crime Syndicate, a confederation of mobsters, that Dewey be murdered. Luciano argued that a Dewey assassination would precipitate a massive law enforcement crackdown. The Commission later voted unanimously against the proposal.[1] An enraged Schultz said he would kill Dewey anyway and walked out of the meeting.[16] Murder, Inc. leader Albert Anastasia approached Luciano with information that Schultz had asked him to stake out Dewey's apartment building on Fifth Avenue. Upon hearing the news, the Commission held a discreet meeting to discuss the matter. After six hours of deliberations the Commission ordered Louis Buchalter to eliminate "The Dutchman".

When a Sicilian Mafia family hit prosecutor Giovanni Falcone and his family, the fallout was so serious that the American families broke ties with Sicily and anti-mafia protests with numbers estimated at over 100,000 occured in Sicily and in Italy:

https://www.newsweek.com/italy-mafia-mob-sicily-murder-prosecutor-giovanni-falcone-613971

Twenty-five years ago, a car bomb filled with more than half a ton of explosives, detonated remotely, killed prominent anti-mob prosecutor Falcone, his wife and three members of their security detail.

...

"The murders signaled a point of no return," Vincenza Rando, legal officer and vice-president of the non-governmental organization Libera, tells Newsweek. "There was a great awakening. A great conscious awakening."

The trials that followed the murders of Falcone and Borsellino convicted the people who planted the bombs and planned the assassinations, but a wider investigation into powers behind the attacks had to be closed for lack of evidence. However, it still had an impact on the mafia's power and the way it operated.

The murder is consistent with an amatuer, not a professional.

 

[Craig4]

If any developing story had 'conspiracy' written all over it, it has to be the gunning down of Judge Salas' son. Salas had just been appointed five days ago as the judge to preside over the Deutsche Bank money laundering case.

Strong connections to Epstein as one of the charges is allegedly their allowing him to launder his ill-gotten gains there.



So the 'hitman' wearing a Fedex uniform and delivering a 'Fedex parcel' turned out to be a 'disgruntled attorney' who had lost a case under Salas five years ago. He was found shot dead in a car in New York Catskill not long after.

It is strange an attorney would hold a grudge about losing a case, usually it is a resentful litigant or defendant who feels unjustly treated or made to pay unfair costs. The lawyer gets his or her money in any case. And waiting five years.

So it has all the hallmarks of a Lee Oswald type assassination with the hitman being bumped off by another hitman. 'A secret between two people is safe if one is dead'.

Epstein's hand waves out of the grave...?



ETA: the gunman found dead in the car is allegedly Roy Den Hollander and his resumé looks like this:



Spot the Russia connection.

Tell me, have you ever heard hoof beats and not concluded they were zebras?

 

[CORed]

So, did losing that case lead to other ramifications? Rights clients left, business clients too, no new cases, life turns to doo-doo?

Since the guy was a "men't rights activist" who had nothing better to do than file a lawsuit against "ladies nights" at a bar, I strongly suspect that his life was already doo-doo. The lawsuit doesn't seem like something worth getting so upset about that you would kill someone, but I don't think we are talking about someone who is remotely mentally stable here. I think murder-suicide by lone nut is a much more likely scenario than a conspiracy. If he was a hitman, and Deutche Bank mistrusted him so much that they had to hire another hitman that they did trust to kill him, why not just have the hitman they trust kill the judge's son?

 

[CORed]

Tell me, have you ever heard hoof beats and not concluded they were zebras?

Yes. She frequently concludes they are unicorns.

 

[smartcooky]

Failure of imagination. This guy has a sinister background in quasi-espionage and likely espionage proper, even possibly a double agent.

And your evidence for this claim is?

Not sure why this has gone to conspiracy theory as if such a thing never happens.

Oh, I'm 100% sure I know why

Do people really think this was a harmless nutter who dressed up in costume to gun down a young lad and his dad?

Yes, with my FTFY

There are millions of heartbroken people in the world who do not go out and shoot some sundry judge

And there are a small number of people who have

1. Federal Circuit Court Judge Richard J. Daronco was assassinated at his home in Pelham, New York on 1988, as an act of revenge by Charles Koster, the father of a disgruntled plaintiff whose sexual harassment lawsuit against her former employer had been dismissed by Daronco for lack of evidence.

2. The father-in-law of MSNBC contributor and former US Attorney, Joyce Vance, federal judge Robert S. Vance, was murdered by a mail bomb in 1989. The bomber's motive for killing Judge Vance was revenge against Vance's court, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, which had refused to expunge that conviction

3. West Texas District Count Judge John H. Wood Jr. was assassinated outside his home in San Antonio, in 1979. He was murdered by a contract killer hired by Texas drug lord Jamiel Chagra, who was awaiting trial before the judge.

Yes, the killing of judges is unusual, but it does happen!