JREF vs "The Truth Movement".

[DGM]

That's about it. As far as I can see, we are the only ones paying any attention. It's us vs them.

Does anyone have any evidence this is not true?

 

[jaydeehess]

The subject is discussed on other internet forums. JREF seems to hold particular fascination for the "Truth" movement though.

There's less and less discussion of it in MSM, there are fewer and fewer at TM protests on Sept.11. More and more they are marginalized in society. Its just the stalwarts who continue on.

They are not even as important and followed as much as Apollo hoax believers.

911TM is reduced to an cadre of internet warriors shouting at strangers. No more visible is that than with PfT, which simply refuses to move beyond using the internet to push their message. Does the dfdr from flight 77 grossly differ in its plot of the aircraft's path, than the tale told by the physical damage path and the so called official story? If it does why have they steadfastly refused to produce a purely technical paper outlining their evidence?

 

[MG1962]

The political forum I hang out in has been active of late. Same old arguments, not even bothering to re-tread their story anymore. One post I almost considered for the Stundie was a poster wondering if we are all looking at this wrong, and it was Satan all along lol

 

[DGM]

The subject is discussed on other internet forums. JREF seems to hold particular fascination for the "Truth" movement though.

By "discussed" you mean shunned and ridiculed?

911TM is reduced to an cadre of internet warriors shouting at strangers.

Where they are usually called "truthtards" and shunned.

To the best of my knowledge. This is the only place where they (if they could) are encouraged to present their ideas. They constantly fall short.

 

[ozeco41]

That's about it. As far as I can see, we are the only ones paying any attention. It's us vs them.

Does anyone have any evidence this is not true?

JREF is currently paying less attention to 9/11 matters than two other forums I am aware of and there is little remaining activity AFAIK on other debunker side or neutral forums. I don't track truther sites but, from numerous comments over recent months, I gain the impression that they are all moribund.

IMO the issue is for all practical purposes dead.

The situation here - in the last week:
Only one thread - the"Peppers Letter" thread - is of direct technical relevance to 9/11 CT specifically WTC collapses on 9/11. And even that topic is nothing more than the third (fourth?) major recycling on this forum of a T Szamboti claim that still relies on false premises, false scope of augment and errors in the details.

There are two marginally relvant technical threads - one of them primarily recycling a personality difference. The technical issue is past its "use by date".

There are several threads dealing with matters of scientific curiosity which have long lost whatever relevance to 9/11 they may have held. All the dust, Millette Study and microspheres topics.

The largest number of active threads relate to the marketing and fund raising performance of AE911, its associated personnel and offshoot/related organisations.

All the trolls bar 1.5 have left the sinking ship.

This forum still has the resources to mount serious level technical arguments but there is no call -- as usual the discussion gravitates to the low level set by the truthers or trolls.

Meanwhile DebatePolitics and Metabunk have more activity

Metabunk sets serious standards for "on topic" and "reasoning" and the technical material is reasonable whilst staying within the middle range. There as here the "high order fatal errors" seem to be overlooked.

DebatePolitics has a lot more activity but apart from me and a couple of others the technical level is very low. And the general membership seems happy to keep it that way. (A Balsamo invasion over there a few months back persuaded some talent from here to go visiting which significantly raised the level of discussion. But the flurry of anti P4T activity is over with Balsamo now banned.)

On my former Home forum - RationalSkepticism - 9/11 activity ceased about two-three years back (hence my activity here rose at that time.) - the last two years the 9/11 thread has been nothing but a troll feeding exercise. And even the resident troll got tired of it. (psikeyhackr - long banned here and on several other forums.

Serious discussion has also come to a halt on The911Forum

That covers all the ones I know.

oops - "DeepPolitics" not worth a mention - a cesspit of crazy political pathology.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Seems to me like the JREF has and always had other things to do. It's more like a couple of used-to-entitlements shills abusing the JREF forum for their eternal quest to smear any dissent against the official conspiracy theory, which in reality most people who pay attention don't buy at all, yet would never think of wasting time arguing ad hominem nonsense with the "intelligence" at display here.

 

[Childlike Empress]

It became obvious relatively soon that the from-cradle brainwashing of the average Yankistani made them incapable of grasping the 9/11 deception, as obvious and (deliberately) in-your-face it was. By now, several years later, the millions grasping the utter lies coming out of the mouths of the admin regarding Syria, Ukraine and the general global policy, witnessing and participating in the outrage in the comments happening everywhere on the net and the following CT's distributed about "Russian Trolls", have spotted the stage and pick up 9/11 truth in an afternoon if they choose to focus on it.

 

[The Big Dog]

It became obvious relatively soon that the from-cradle brainwashing of the average Yankistani made them incapable of grasping the 9/11 deception, as obvious and (deliberately) in-your-face it was. By now, several years later, the millions grasping the utter lies coming out of the mouths of the admin regarding Syria, Ukraine and the general global policy, witnessing and participating in the outrage in the comments happening everywhere on the net and the following CT's distributed about "Russian Trolls", have spotted the stage and pick up 9/11 truth in an afternoon if they choose to focus on it.

Uh huh. Say Ce, you still a no planer at the pentagon?

Why don't you go to one of your free thinker sites and tell them you are a cit acolyte.

Russian trolls are hilarious though. Starting with Putin and down to the rest of the KGB scum bags he still hangs around.

 

[Dog Town]

Uh huh. Say Ce, you still a no planer at the pentagon?

Why don't you go to one of your free thinker sites and tell them you are a cit acolyte.

Russian trolls are hilarious though.

Funny, how Putin sent the irregulars! Afraid he is!

 

[Orphia Nay]

Above Top Secret's truthers have trolled themselves almost out of existence.

Same goes for 9/11Blogger.

Both sites are heavily moderated to the extent that conspiracy theories abound about the owners/moderation.

TruthAction forum died from infighting and lack of interest.

TruthMove forum is basically pining for the fjords.

The only place I know that's somewhat active among truthers is the AE911T Facebook page, but that is frequented by increasingly paranoid and seriously deranged CTists in general who all talk past each other.

9/11 Truth is now insular and fragmented.

 

[smartcooky]

The Truth Movement will fall into a situation similar to that which the Apollo Hoax movement is in now. There will be one or two die hard nut-bars like Jarrah White and Bart Sibrel and the rest will fall off their respective perches into a large mire of irrelevancy never to be heard of or from again. "Patrick-of-a-thousand-names" (a.k.a. Dr Socks) is deceased, along with Bill Kaysing and Jack White

Over at Apollohoax.net, the occasional "new" HB pokes their head in from time to time, usually regurgitating the same old same old that has been thoroughly debunked so frequently before, and after a few posts, they cannot hack the pace, and leave.

Even the "oh-so-sure-of-himself" Jarrah White doesn't bother posting there because he knows jay utah will hand him his arse on a plate.

ETA: Oh, and of course there is S.G. Collins, who totally debunked any possible claim that the Apollo missions were faked in a studio, by clearly showing that it was technologically impossible for them to have done so.

 

[beachnut]

Seems to me like the JREF has and always had other things to do. It's more like a couple of used-to-entitlements shills abusing the JREF forum for their eternal quest to smear any dissent against the official conspiracy theory, which in reality most people who pay attention don't buy at all, yet would never think of wasting time arguing ad hominem nonsense with the "intelligence" at display here.

19 terrorists did 911, not some theory, it is a fact. Believing lies from CIT was a failure in being skeptical. Hiding behind being skeptical of the official story, yet not skeptical about claims of failed DJs; calling it dissent, is rich.

Did CIT fool you when Pike was pointing to Flight 77 on the south flight path. Was it wasted support for a failed movement based on lies, 911 truth. Not one valid claim from 911 truth. Is that why you spread silly claims about this topic. is this sour grapes or what

There is no dissent, it is called lies. 911 truth lies about 911. 911 truth makes up fantasy about 911. Dissent, turns out to be ignorance, and nonsense.

Where is 911 truth's Pulitzer? All the newspapers failed to find anything valid from 911 truth. oh man, dissent in the case of 911 truth is massive ignorance of physics, flying, engineering, and a tendency to fall for woo.

of the average Yankistani made them incapable of grasping the 9/11 deception

... , a weak insult, and nonsense. "grasping the 9/11 deception"

The "grasping the 9/11 deception", a thing you can't define given 13 years.
"grasping the 9/11 deception", a failed idea you made up, but can't flesh out given 13 years. "grasping the 9/11 deception", a thing you can't explain. This is why 911 truth has failed, made up claims based on opinions, which are wrong. 13th year of "grasping the 9/11 deception", and 911 truth can't make a point.

 

[JerryGarcia]

Reddit seems to have an active 9/11 Truth presence.

 

[DC]

Seems to me like the JREF has and always had other things to do. It's more like a couple of used-to-entitlements shills abusing the JREF forum for their eternal quest to smear any dissent against the official conspiracy theory, which in reality most people who pay attention don't buy at all, yet would never think of wasting time arguing ad hominem nonsense with the "intelligence" at display here.

yeah i told that myself the whole time. until i woke up from my delusion.
meanwhile even the online Brigade of truthers has pretty much died off. only the craziest of the crazies are left.

when will you wake up?

 

[ozeco41]

Reddit seems to have an active 9/11 Truth presence.

Truthers or Trolls?

I'm only seeing one genuine truther still posting.

 

[jaydeehess]

Meanwhile DebatePolitics and Metabunk have more activity

Metabunk sets serious standards for "on topic" and "reasoning" and the technical material is reasonable whilst staying within the middle range. There as here the "high order fatal errors" seem to be overlooked.

DebatePolitics has a lot more activity but apart from me and a couple of others the technical level is very low. And the general membership seems happy to keep it that way. (A Balsamo invasion over there a few months back persuaded some talent from here to go visiting which significantly raised the level of discussion. But the flurry of anti P4T activity is over with Balsamo now banned.)

I gave up on debatepolitics as the CTs there bordered (being nice about it) on the insane.
Metabunk does have some activity but since the bar, as you say, is set high, conversations are rather sparse but at least on topic.

Actually, now that the noise is lessened, perhaps we here can make a better show of keeping CTs on topic in threads rather than chasing derails when they occur.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

became obvious relatively soon that the from-cradle brainwashing of the average Yankistani made them incapable of grasping the 9/11 deception,

Please support your claim that American education prevents Americans from believing illogical and unscientific nonsense, because I don't see that in the real world.

 

[JayUtah]

Even the "oh-so-sure-of-himself" Jarrah White doesn't bother posting there because he knows jay utah will hand him his arse on a plate.

Indeed he didn't have a very good experience at IMDb. It was essentially suicide by moderator, after which he retreated to YouTube and made up a whole different story for his fans for why he left that debate.

And that brings me to my relevant point. I think conspiracy theorists would rather talk about their critics than to them.

 

[njslim]

The Truth movement is not dead...!!!

Latest tactic to spread the Truth is to post flyers with their npnsense in the windows of free newspaper boxes around the new 911 Memorial

Been doing a number of jobs in southern Manhattan so go over to the memorial

Beautiful place

One thing is there are NO 911 TRUTHERS anywhere - have a number of security guards patrolling the site, in addition have NYPD and Port Authority cops so imagine this
scares the nut jobs away

 

[smartcooky]

The Truth movement is not dead...!!!

Latest tactic to spread the Truth is to post flyers with their npnsense in the windows of free newspaper boxes around the new 911 Memorial

Didn't I read somewhere that some Truther organisation issued a flyer that looked almost identical to an official 911 Museum/Memorial flyer?