Joseph Goebbels Would Be So Proud

[andyandy]

still waiting for the definition of "Nazi" and "communist" you're using.....


seems you might be flailing around for "totalitarian." Do you really believe that both Nazism and communism can be reduced to "totalitarianism" - and as such are terms irrespective of ideology?

and even then, you've come rather short of demonstrating "totalitarian" is a good description of Kucinich.

By your rather loose use of the language, every country in the world in which the government seeks to impose controls on the media should be regarded as "totalitarian" and by an even greater leap both "Nazi" and "communist." In which case show me a country which isn't "Nazi" and "communist"......

Or are you using the descriptions of "Nazi" and "communist" only as pejoratives to label people you don't like?

 

[Ziggurat]

It is a much freer radio market now that it is all owned by large conglomerates instead of small local ownership.

Freer market? Yes. More diverse? No. The two are not synonymous, and you can value diversity more than free market if you want to, nothing inconsistent with that. But considering that reintroduction of the "fairness doctrine" would do nothing to change the composition of radio station ownership, I'm not even sure what point you were trying to make.

 

[Ziggurat]

and even then, you've come rather short of demonstrating "totalitarian" is a good description of Kucinich.

I agree. "Authoritarian" works better for the point he's trying to make anyways.

 

[Cleon]

Hmmm. Before Goebbels got his hand on the propaganda machine of Germany he was also just insane and ineffective.

Ergo, anyone who is insane and ineffective is a Goebbels in the making, right?

Love the logic, here.

 

[Darth Rotor]

SO, in other words, it's naziish and commieish to try to make the market freer. Weird.

Look if Clear Channel decideds that your area does not deserve to have any reporters there, and there is an emergency who are you to question clear channel not sending out information that can save your life?

Curious that Clear Channel (who has driven a few stations out of our local market, the sods ) is presumed by you to act as the public safety conduit.

Has NPR, a tax payer funded broadcasting network, no responsibility?

Now, there is the matter of band. A lot of talk radio is AM, and most NPR is FM, which has a shorter range (Line of Sight) than AM. I'd have to check the regs on this, but I think there is a PSA/Emergency broadcast requirement for all bands of the commercial radio spectra.

How is it that a reporter is required? The emergency function does not need a scoop, it needs to get the word out.

Quite possibly, I am missing something essential in your post.

DR

 

[BPSCG]

Coming in late to this, so apologies if this point has been made already.

Comparing any American politician, no matter how bufffoonish he may be, to Hitler or the Nazis is odious. I've said it before when idiots compare Bush to Hitler, and I'll say it here now.

Farmall MTA, you may have a good point in there somewhere, but when you start calling Kucinich a Nazi, you blow it away. Politicians can be wrong and stupid and misguided without being Nazis. Save the Hitler comparisons for Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

 

[Cleon]

If Kucinich is the threat you say he is, then you're the proportionally appropriate defender against him. Thanks for being on the case.

 

[hgc]

If he's Kucinich, yes.

Btw, glad you found the love of your life. Too bad it was so late coming along. Welp, better late than never!

Happy for you!

Clarification please: Does that mean anyone who is insane and ineffective and named Kucinich is a Goebbels in the making, or anyone who is insane and ineffective and also happens to be this particular guy is...?

 

[FarmallMTA]

Clarification please: Does that mean anyone who is insane and ineffective and named Kucinich is a Goebbels in the making, or anyone who is insane and ineffective and also happens to be this particular guy is...?

No prob. Glad to help you along here.

The critical permutation at this junction is: insane + ineffective + named Kucinich = Goebbels in the making.

Only one living nutjob fits that bill, the one in question. All the others are either: insane, ineffective, named Kucinich, insane + ineffective, insane + Kucinich, or ineffective + Kucinich.

We'll just have to wait to see about the rest.

Like Kerry. He's insane. He's ineffective. But he's not named Kucinich. So therefore he's just a tinhorn nitwit hypocrite. Not your full-blown Goebbels type.

Next question, please?

 

[FarmallMTA]

Coming in late to this, so apologies if this point has been made already.

Comparing any American politician, no matter how bufffoonish he may be, to Hitler or the Nazis is odious. I've said it before when idiots compare Bush to Hitler, and I'll say it here now.

Farmall MTA, you may have a good point in there somewhere, but when you start calling Kucinich a Nazi, you blow it away. Politicians can be wrong and stupid and misguided without being Nazis. Save the Hitler comparisons for Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

But according to your logic, in order to be nice and considerate to Butchers Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, we should save the Hitler comparo solely for Mr. Hitler. Meaning that we cannot ascribe to a nutjob like Kucinich the lockstep similarities he has with the any other nutjob living now or historically.

They say, you know, that Goebbels, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were perfectly nice, charming dudes, excepting their desire for power. Ol' flake Kucinich is too.

So, I can't agree with you.

 

[DavidS]

It would be almost like having oil companies pay to extract oil from federal land. Down right unamerican.

In America, at least, oil companies *do* pay to extract oil from federal land. Non-federal lands, too. What's more, they pay for the rights to explore those lands for oil. Trot down to NOLA with your checkbook -- the BIG checkbook -- for the next lease sale. Note, however, that the lease you "buy" gets you only a window of time -- with ongoing rental payments -- to establish production in paying quantities.

Well <no pun intended>, once production is established I suppose the position could be held that the extraction funding goes the other direction. It's not too far off the mark to say the mineral owner pays the oil company a share of the production to extract his oil.

 

[varwoche]

More accurately, he wants any station broadcasting 3 hours of Rush Limbaugh every day to be forced to carry 3 hours of Air America every day or have their license revoked.

Is it disturbing to people, yet? If not, why not? Take a good, long, god-damned look in the mirror.

Maybe what you post here is true. However nothing in the link from the OP states as such, red/bold/italics/hot air notwithstanding.

 

[Pyrrho]

Jedi Knight did it better.

 

[BPSCG]

But according to your logic, in order to be nice and considerate to Butchers Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, we should save the Hitler comparo solely for Mr. Hitler.

What? You're not making any sense. Who said anything about being nice to Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot?

Comparing these gentlemen to Hitler is appropriate because they were all mass murderers, the very best the world has ever seen. It's what they did best, and it's pretty much the main reason they're in the history books.

Saying Kucinich is like Hitler because he has some stupid anti-free speech ideas and he wants to be president is idiotic. By that measure, John McCain also qualifies as a budding Nazi.

Let me know when Kucinich starts preaching theories of racial superiority and starts assembling gangs of thugs to beat up people who disagree with him. Then we can talk.

 

[hgc]

Jedi Knight did it better.

True that. He was a machine. A wonder to behold.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Curious that Clear Channel (who has driven a few stations out of our local market, the sods ) is presumed by you to act as the public safety conduit.

I forgot that exploiting a public resources should bear no public responcibility.

Has NPR, a tax payer funded broadcasting network, no responsibility?

All the stations where owned by clear chanel, there was no NPR station in Minot. Clear channel owned all 6 stations, made possibly by the looseing of regulations in the 90's.

Now, there is the matter of band. A lot of talk radio is AM, and most NPR is FM, which has a shorter range (Line of Sight) than AM. I'd have to check the regs on this, but I think there is a PSA/Emergency broadcast requirement for all bands of the commercial radio spectra.

And in Minot, clear channel had someone at the station, but they did not seem to have the capacity to answer the phone and start broadcasting what the police and emergency services personel wanted them to. But they got the canned music out, and there was only one fatality.

How is it that a reporter is required? The emergency function does not need a scoop, it needs to get the word out.

It needs people to annouce what is going on and check with various people. In New Orleans CC had to use another stations personel with their broadcasting equipment to be able to get people life saving information.

Quite possibly, I am missing something essential in your post.

DR

That regardless of what was proposed, there are some serious problems the deregulation of radio has caused in our prepairedness for disaster. Radio is fundamental to that, because so few people have battery powered TV's and Internet connections.

 

[Beerina]

That's relevant in terms of evaluating how onerous the restrictions are, but NOT in terms of whether or not it's a restriction. Making it illegal to use the words "kumquat" and "zipper" in the same sentence would not prevent most people from getting their point across either (even if their point somehow involved both kumquats and zippers), but it would still be a restriction on free speech.

Moreover, the Supreme Court has ruled that freedom of speech includes not just the freedom to say things, but also the freedom to not say things.

But make no mistake about it -- this isn't about forcing an "alternative viewpoint" onto the air (which, as you note, would be a massive drop in ratings). It's about causing stations so many problems, both logistically and in lost money (both from lower ratings and the risk of the loss of license if they goof) that stations pull all their political shows.

Thoroughly disgusting.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I forgot that exploiting a public resources should bear no public responcibility.

I noted what I think are regs on PSA and Emergency broadcast, so I think we actually agree on that. I did not know that there was no NPR in Minot, thanks for that tidbit.

All the stations where owned by clear chanel, there was no NPR station in Minot. Clear channel owned all 6 stations, made possibly by the looseing of regulations in the 90's.

As I noted in my post, I am not pleased at the local stations run out of town here, thanks to Clear Channel. It cost some jobs, reduced choice, and removed some of the local flavor from the radio station choices in this area. Some local stations are little more than an office and a remote switch.

And in Minot, clear channel had someone at the station, but they did not seem to have the capacity to answer the phone and start broadcasting what the police and emergency services personel wanted them to. But they got the canned music out, and there was only one fatality.

Again, thanks for the elaboration, but we run into similar problems here. Some of the Clear Channel "stations" are remote repeater sites, best description I can give, that replaced a full up radio station. This may save money on personnel and overhead, but it doesn't make for a full up radio station.

It needs people to annouce what is going on and check with various people. In New Orleans CC had to use another stations personel with their broadcasting equipment to be able to get people life saving information.

Got it.

That regardless of what was proposed, there are some serious problems the deregulation of radio has caused in our prepairedness for disaster. Radio is fundamental to that, because so few people have battery powered TV's and Internet connections.

The dereg IIRC was related to breaking open the Cell Phone boom, and also Al Gore's bit about the change in TV format to "HD" by 2006 or 7, can't remember which.

Thanks for the added tidbits.

DR

 

[ponderingturtle]

I noted what I think are regs on PSA and Emergency broadcast, so I think we actually agree on that. I did not know that there was no NPR in Minot, thanks for that tidbit.

Yes from what I have heard, clear channel owned all the stations in Minot so presumeably no NPR.

As I noted in my post, I am not pleased at the local stations run out of town here, thanks to Clear Channel. It cost some jobs, reduced choice, and removed some of the local flavor from the radio station choices in this area. Some local stations are little more than an office and a remote switch.

Ok we seem to be then rather on the same page. I did not look to closely at what was being claimed in the OP, but there are serious issues with the changes in how radio is being mannaged.

Again, thanks for the elaboration, but we run into similar problems here. Some of the Clear Channel "stations" are remote repeater sites, best description I can give, that replaced a full up radio station. This may save money on personnel and overhead, but it doesn't make for a full up radio station.

Exactly, and this is most shown by when an emergency happens. Another case in point was someone in the albany area, durring the east coast black out got lots of news about NYC but nothing useful about the local situation.

Got it.

The dereg IIRC was related to breaking open the Cell Phone boom, and also Al Gore's bit about the change in TV format to "HD" by 2006 or 7, can't remember which.

Well ensureing diversity of normal content is not as big a deal now, as there lots of content alternatives for normal operation, but in an emergency radio is king.

Thanks for the added tidbits.

DR

There was an NPR program on this with the author of Fighting for Air

link