Merged Jim Callahan's MDC claim

[GzuzKryzt]

In the train wreck that is The Professor's thread, Jim Callahan said the following:

Ok you have my attention Jeff.
Please offer up the test and I will consider it.

This was a thread I had decided to stay out of but your comment poked at my curiosity and now I am in.

We have been doing tests for the past couple of years and would welcome your input on this.

I see some problems with Dave's situation and will address those shortly.

Best Wishes,

Jim

Jeff Wagg responded:

All you have to do is apply.

Will you propose a claim, Jim Callahan? Do you have a test protocol in mind, perhaps along the lines of those "tests [you] have done for the past couple years"?

A must read.

Since one passage usually causes misunderstandings or seems to be overread, I quote from the link:

"1. This is the primary and most important of these rules: Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers and/or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result."

 

[yairhol]

For starters I would want to hear of a paranormal claim only. No protocol needed and no time schedule either.
This should be interesting although I fear that this will end up the same way as TP's non-claim non-protocol etc.

 

[chran]

Yes Callahan, please apply!

But please try to state what you can do within the first, like, 5 pages of this thread

 

[Azrael 5]

Yes Callahan, please apply!

But please try to state what you can do within the first, like, 5 pages of this thread

Be reasonable chran,come on give the guy a break.He's a busy man,Youtube videos to make,false allegations to throw about.How can he do it within 5 pages? It will take him that long to shut up whining about Jeff's comment!

 

[chillzero]

Azrael, (everyone, really)
Please be sure to remember that this section is a showcase for the MDC. Please keep it as civil as absolutely possible, and on topic. Being sarcastic and personal does not help.

Perhaps you could review the following thread (posts 5 and 6 in particular) to understand my comment.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124538
The mods should not need to be heavily involved in these threads.

Any comments on that thread should be posted there, but in this thread, please let's keep it civil, and all direct our attention to assisting claims in moving forward, instead of anything negative.
Thank you.

 

[chran]

nvm

 

[Azrael 5]

Ok Chilli I'll be good.

 

[Hatchet]

All you have to do is apply.

Jeff you said you could test my claim now you run and hide?
....
If you were posting true please do tell us all how it is you would test me.
....
However I am sure many are wondering why you made the comment and now that you have my attention you run.

Huh? What the hell are you on about Jim?

Perhaps I've woken up in some strange parallel universe this morning? But wouldn't running and hiding involve Jeff telling you that you can't take the challenge rather than inviting you to apply for it?

You do know that to be tested, you actually have to apply for the challenge and tell the JREF what your paranormal ability is right? How can you expect anyone to tell you how you would be tested if you have not made a claim? How can you expect any attention at all from the JREF if you do not become an actual applicant?

So how about applying? All it will cost you is a few stamps and a few hours of your time. Then you can go and accuse the JREF of running and hiding if they refuse to test you.

Cheers.

 

[Kuko 4000]

Jim Callahan, if you have a paranormal claim, you need to start from here:

A must read.

Since one passage usually causes misunderstandings or seems to be overread, I quote from the link:

"1. This is the primary and most important of these rules: Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers and/or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result."

Jim, PLEASE START FROM THIS.

 

[The Professor]

Azrael, (everyone, really)
Please be sure to remember that this section is a showcase for the MDC. Please keep it as civil as absolutely possible, and on topic. Being sarcastic and personal does not help.

Perhaps you could review the following thread (posts 5 and 6 in particular) to understand my comment.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124538
The mods should not need to be heavily involved in these threads.

Any comments on that thread should be posted there, but in this thread, please let's keep it civil, and all direct our attention to assisting claims in moving forward, instead of anything negative.
Thank you.

Thanks for pointing out that the JREF Forum members have NOT beens CIVIL in my case!!!!!!!

Makes it obvious now doesn't it?

Thanks SOOO MUCH

 

[fromdownunder]

As I understand it, one of the "tricks" used by magicians is misdirection - ensuring that the audience is not focusing on the area where the sleight of hand (or whatever the particular trick is) will be carefully scrutinised by the observer.

It appears that The Professor, who is clearly flailing, and has got a few misdirection techniques of his own, as shown by his refusal (or inability) to actually explain what he can do, has called in the cavalry as backup, and Jim Callahan, possibly the back up, has added a further bit of misdirection of his own.

This takes pressure off TP, by using diversion tactics and shifting the focus.

There is also a basic fundamentalist ploy, to draw everybody away from your own inability to support your basic premise with facts, and shift the burden of proof to the other side. Jim Callahan appears to be very well versed in this form of diversion, because I have never before in my life seen anybody specifically invited to go for a $1,000,000 prize turn around and suggest that the person who gave this invitation is "running away".

So, JC (since I used the fundamentalist analogy, how appropriate) here is your chance. Show Mr Randi up, and show everybody what you have got, tell us what you can do, and apply for the challenge.

Give the world evidence of a supernatural event.

Norm

 

[chillzero]

Thanks for pointing out that the JREF Forum members have NOT beens CIVIL in my case!!!!!!!

Makes it obvious now doesn't it?

Thanks SOOO MUCH

Please concentrate on defining your claim and negotiating your protocol in the appropriate thread.

Thanks so much.

 

[Marcus]

Thanks for pointing out that the JREF Forum members have NOT beens CIVIL in my case!!!!!!!

Makes it obvious now doesn't it?

Thanks SOOO MUCH

We were quite civil ar first, but then you made it clear that you had no interest in cooperating, would not answer even the simplest of questions, and would not absorb any information.

Jim is a different person, he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Jim, if you are sincere, unlike Prof, I think you will find the people here are quite friendly and helpful.

 

[Jeff Wagg]

I'll state this again for this thread.

If Jim Callahan can perform as he did on Phenomenon, under proper observing conditions, he would win the million.

As for his claim, he claims to be in communication with an entity by the name of Raymond Hill, who can see inside sealed objects. At least that's my take on what I saw on Phenomenon. I'm hoping Jim will clarify further, or correct me if I'm wrong.

But first, he must apply.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

I just PMed Jim Callahan this:


Hi Jim Callahan,



I am forwarding you this post just in case you missed it. According to the display at the bottom of each subforum, you have been online here during this evening (GMT+1) at least five seperate times.

Perhaps you will find the time to post in the thread opened for you?

Thank you for your continued interest.



GzuzKryzt



The post I referred to was Jeff Wagg's last post in this thread.

 

[Ron_Tomkins]

I think this and other threads are proof that us skeptics are actually almost impatient to see people being tested on paranormal claims.

I mean, how many times do we have to repeat the same thing?: Sir, please do apply. We want to see what you can show us.

 

[Jim Callahan]

I just PMed Jim Callahan this:


Hi Jim Callahan,



I am forwarding you this post just in case you missed it. According to the display at the bottom of each subforum, you have been online here during this evening (GMT+1) at least five seperate times.

Perhaps you will find the time to post in the thread opened for you?

Thank you for your continued interest.



GzuzKryzt



The post I referred to was Jeff Wagg's last post in this thread.

Yes I am pretty busy right now and I check this forum and the Magic Cafe when talking on the phone or waiting for video renders.

As those who frequent the Cafe can attest I have posted very little there either.

I think it would be rude to start into a discussion that I cannot keep up with as a poster.

Currently I am working on a rather complicate presentation for October 31st that has in part something to do with the test Jeff mentions.

But as I said I just cannot commit the time to posting as I think would be appropriate at this time.

Thanks for understanding.

Best Wishes,

Jim

 

[Azrael 5]

Yes I am pretty busy right now and I check this forum and the Magic Cafe when talking on the phone or waiting for video renders.

As those who frequent the Cafe can attest I have posted very little there either.

I think it would be rude to start into a discussion that I cannot keep up with as a poster.

Currently I am working on a rather complicate presentation for October 31st that has in part something to do with the test Jeff mentions.

But as I said I just cannot commit the time to posting as I think would be appropriate at this time.

Thanks for understanding.

Best Wishes,

Jim

Translated in to normal speak means:"Sorry I spoke out of turn earlier to Mr Wagg,regards him running away from me I cannot back this up,nor can I take the MDC challenge as I am only a magician.Aplogies"

No discussion needed just fill in a form and send it off.Whilst on the phone or waiting for videos to render.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Yes I am pretty busy right now and I check this forum and the Magic Cafe when talking on the phone or waiting for video renders.

As those who frequent the Cafe can attest I have posted very little there either.

I think it would be rude to start into a discussion that I cannot keep up with as a poster.

Currently I am working on a rather complicate presentation for October 31st that has in part something to do with the test Jeff mentions.

But as I said I just cannot commit the time to posting as I think would be appropriate at this time.

Thanks for understanding.

Best Wishes,

Jim

Only a nitpicking fella would state that you could have at least outlined your possible claim in the two minutes you took to type your post.

The forum community will have to wait until you can dedicate your time to the rather ungrateful task of getting a million dollars, right?

 

[Drudgewire]

Yes I am pretty busy right now and I check this forum and the Magic Cafe when talking on the phone or waiting for video renders.

As those who frequent the Cafe can attest I have posted very little there either.

I think it would be rude to start into a discussion that I cannot keep up with as a poster.

Currently I am working on a rather complicate presentation for October 31st that has in part something to do with the test Jeff mentions.

But as I said I just cannot commit the time to posting as I think would be appropriate at this time.

Thanks for understanding.

Yeah, I understand how it's a time issue and all, since If you can describe your claim in a hundred words or less, it would've taken at least 8 less of them than the response above.

Only a nitpicking fella would state that you could have at least outlined your possible claim in the two minutes you took to type your post.

What are you trying to say?