Interesting JE Hits....

[thaiboxerken]

Does your NY trance medium fail? Are *all* readings 100% accurate? Any idea?


Reply: I said my account was anecdotal and based on my personal experience. I met one person a few weeks ago who said she was not happy with her encounter with this medium but she didn't want to go into detail so I am not sure what that meant. I am not investigating or doing a survey of this medium except in idle conversation so I have no idea what the answer to your question is. But I have met people who were astounded by her work. Again, I do not have a valid score card upon which to base any statement other than my own experience. This experience is always given when I am asked what makes me think there is something to this, but for no other reason. And it was given for this reason in this instance.

Did you tell this medium about the JREF million dollar challenge? Would this medium be interested in enlightening the close minded skeptics in here by taking the JREF money?

Probably not, eh?

 

[thaiboxerken]

These WOULD be the agreements Randi, his staff and referees would have been asked to sign if such data was released to them. But this point was never reached. Before this, Randi has backed out of any further involvement with this data. He did this categorically and without doubt. These are agreements that Claus and his consulatnts and anyone made privy to the information would be asked to sign. Randi was asked to agree to such restrictions and refused to be b ound by those kinds of constraints. He ended all dialogue with Schwartz on this and said so very loudly and very publicly citing this as the reason.

I do not need to scan them because they exist in digital form but I do not have them at home.

Yes, these are U.S. Federal Law, violation of which can carry imposing penalties such as those mentioned.

LOL. I think you are making up BS and not telling the whole story. Yet, another excuse as to why you won't produce one of your superbeings/mediums to take the JREF money. Ever think that Schwartz might be the dishonest one here wanting important information witheld from the public? Information that would reduce his book sales, perhaps?

 

[Darat]

Did you tell this medium about the JREF million dollar challenge? Would this medium be interested in enlightening the close minded skeptics in here by taking the JREF money?

Probably not, eh?

1) Randi would cheat
2) Money not important
3) Nothing to prove anyway
4) What's that over there? Sounds of rapid footsteps....

 

[thaiboxerken]

1) Randi would cheat
2) Money not important
3) Nothing to prove anyway
4) What's that over there? Sounds of rapid footsteps....

Yep, standard answers. Here is one that you didn't list.

"The JREF test isn't scientific".

LOL.

They fail to understand that, while the JREF challenge isn't backed by the scientific community, it IS still a controlled and double-blind test. Yes.. it's scientific, just not funded by science foundations.

 

[BillHoyt]

Hoyt and this is the only answer I will give you since I already justified it with the same comments:

Consider the RANDI Challenge in the arena of astrophysics and quantum physics and then get back to me. Consider your answer very carefully yourself .........I might add. Think real hard about this. Clue: give me a means to falsify black holes?

Unresponsive, Steve.

1. Support your claims.
2. Concede you cannot.
3. Admit you will not answer.

Those are your basic choices at JREF.

Cheers,

 

[SteveGrenard]

First of all I qualified my remarks and explained in detail about my encounter with two trance mediums. Secondly, based on the protocols Randi wanted to establish for Schwartz and which he did for Sylvia Browne, I can say (and you can check my account) that the mediums I dealt with do not claim to do what he wants them to do so it would be a monumental waste of time. In addition they would end up being discussed by Randi publicly in a most vituperative manner (see his treatment of Schwartz) and I don't know if they are masochists and would want to subject themselves to that, especially for zilch which is predictably what they would end up getting based on Randi's previous behavior.


Also I have had no further contact with either of these mediums
personally since my one and only one reading (well one for me in the US and one for my wife in the UKwith a different trance). I am not friends with them. I have not followed up with them. And I don't wish to do so. Therefore I am in no position to recommend anything to them. Also I am not a provocateur for the JREF challenge nor am I a recruiting agent for James Randi and his
publicity machine.

These were personal experiences, they were anecdotal and they
represented an honest answer to a question posed as to why I became interested in this subject. This is what I said before, and this is what I am saying now. This eliminates the need for me to support my account, especially in this forum, and clearly I am claiming nothing other than this. Is this the game you jerks play? Ask a question and then when you get an honest answer turn that around and try and recruit for Randi's slaughterhouse?
Pretty sick bunch of whackos I would say.


So find some other fool to apply for the challenge. So far all this year, now more than half over, is he gets a possible re-match with little Natalia. If he has had other challengers, he still hasn't seen fit to publish a list of applicants, even without giving their names and what they claim and what the disposition of their apps are. Based on this non-information we have to assume he has nothing. This is why Randi went to the UK last week to tape a show called the "Ultimate Psychic Challenge." Perhaps he will recruit some challengees over there with this project.

It would also be nice if Randi would tell the world what authority or corporation issued the bearer bonds he alegedly has in some account at Goldman Sachs (which are not there anymore--GS I understand may've backed out of holding them or being a party to his challenge). Nobody wants to see them. Just tell us the name of the issuer and series number? Maybe if Randi did that
we might get some people to take him more seriously and apply.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Randi's slaughter house?!

LOL. Randi works with people to test what they claim, that's why each test is customised. You are making excuses, that's all. You know damn well that these people are not talking to spirits or ghosts, so you won't even try to get them tested. It's come down to this, you refuse to have your beliefs tested because you won't like the answer.

Your tall tales aren't impressive. Get one of your superbeinged people to take the JREF money, and I'll be impressed.

Right now, you are nothing but an excuse maker. You have no evidence of the paranormal, and you know it. Instead of admitting that all you have is faith, you will dishonestly try to convince people that you have evidence. You'll dishonestly try to convince people that science has evidence.

A skeptic, you are not. You are just a faithful believer of nonsense.

 

[CFLarsen]

First of all I qualified my remarks and explained in detail about my encounter with two trance mediums. Secondly, based on the protocols Randi wanted to establish for Schwartz and which he did for Sylvia Browne, I can say (and you can check my account) that the mediums I dealt with do not claim to do what he wants them to do so it would be a monumental waste of time. In addition they would end up being discussed by Randi publicly in a most vituperative manner (see his treatment of Schwartz) and I don't know if they are masochists and would want to subject themselves to that, especially for zilch which is predictably what they would end up getting based on Randi's previous behavior.

Steve, you are more than welcome to start a thread with your complaints about Randi's "behavior".

Also I have had no further contact with either of these mediums personally since my one and only one reading (well one for me in the US and one for my wife in the UKwith a different trance). I am not friends with them. I have not followed up with them. And I don't wish to do so. Therefore I am in no position to recommend anything to them.

Sure, you are: You like to give the impression that you are this hot shot paranormal investigator and experimenter who sucks up to known people in the field by name-dropping, claiming that you do important work with them, then back down when you are called on it.

Also I am not a provocateur for the JREF challenge nor am I a recruiting agent for James Randi and his
publicity machine.

Actually, you might be the best to happen to skepticism in a very long time....

These were personal experiences, they were anecdotal and they represented an honest answer to a question posed as to why I became interested in this subject. This is what I said before, and this is what I am saying now. This eliminates the need for me to support my account, especially in this forum, and clearly I am claiming nothing other than this. Is this the game you jerks play? Ask a question and then when you get an honest answer turn that around and try and recruit for Randi's slaughterhouse? Pretty sick bunch of whackos I would say.

Steve, you know very well what this board is about. You just hate the thought that you cannot shut your critics up. Like you did on your own SS-board.

It would also be nice if Randi would tell the world what authority or corporation issued the bearer bonds he alegedly has in some account at Goldman Sachs (which are not there anymore--GS I understand may've backed out of holding them or being a party to his challenge). Nobody wants to see them. Just tell us the name of the issuer and series number? Maybe if Randi did that we might get some people to take him more seriously and apply.

Here.

Heard the phrase "Put up or shut up"? I put up. What do you do?

 

[thaiboxerken]

It would also be nice if Randi would tell the world what authority or corporation issued the bearer bonds he alegedly has in some account at Goldman Sachs (which are not there anymore--GS I understand may've backed out of holding them or being a party to his challenge). Nobody wants to see them. Just tell us the name of the issuer and series number? Maybe if Randi did that
we might get some people to take him more seriously and apply.

Yet another excuse for not supplying one of your superbeings to test for the JREF challenge. If you write/email Randi, and have an applicant in mind, I'm sure he can fax you the legal documents that prove that the million dollars certainly does exist. He tried to send that exact information to Sylvia Browne, who refused the certified mail containing it. Sylvia made the same assertions that you did, that the money didn't exist. Randi showed that the money most certainly does.

The JREF challenge won't be won, but only because people really don't have superpowers. You are trying to imply dishonesty by Randi and his organization as the reason. It's apparent that you are a fabricator of lies and you certainly place faith in your beliefs over evidence.

 

[SteveGrenard]

THBK: LOL. Randi works with people to test what they claim, that's why each test is customised. You are making excuses, that's all. You know damn well that these people are not talking to spirits or ghosts, so you won't even try to get them tested. It's come down to this, you refuse to have your beliefs tested because you won't like the answer.

Reply: Please tell me who Randi is working with to test what they claim other than Natalia Lulova? Thank you. Who are these "people" he is testing? Please provide a list? One, two, three? Any number other than Natlia would do.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Heard the phrase "Put up or shut up"? I put up. What do you do?

He does neither, he just starts making excuses and apologies for his beliefs.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Reply: Please tell me who Randi is working with to test what they claim other than Natalia Lulova? Thank you. Who are these "people" he is testing? Please provide a list? One, two, three? Any number other than Natlia would do.

If you read the commentary archives, you'll see that Randi has tested many. No, I haven't taken the time to make a list and I won't. You can keep up this charade of excuses for not having your superbeings tested, but the reality is.. you are afraid of having your beliefs shown to be false. You are a coward. Get your 100% accurate mediums in to be tested, otherwise, your tall tales about them are worth ZERO.

 

[SteveGrenard]

lARSEN: Sure, you are: You like to give the impression that you are this hot shot paranormal investigator and experimenter who sucks up to known people in the field by name-dropping, claiming that you do important work with them, then back down when you are called on it.

Reply: Sure -- I am not. LOL. I have no contact or relationships with either Mr. Winbow in the U.K. or Mrs. Walsh in the U.S. However, Randi is free to contact them anytime he wants and make an offer to them. I am not an employee of JREF and therefore cannot do that. If Randi would like to hire me to recruit challengers for him or to help him in this way, be sure and let him know I am willing to listen to any offer he cares to make.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Reply: Sure -- I am not. LOL. I have no contact or relationships with either Mr. Winbow in the U.K. or Mrs. Walsh in the U.S. However, Randi is free to contact them anytime he wants and make an offer to them. I am not an employee of JREF and therefore cannot do that. If Randi would like to hire me to recruit challengers for him or to help him in this way, be sure and let him know I am willing to listen to any offer he cares to make.

Yet another excuse. This shows that you are not interested in the truth. You are afraid that these individuals will be shown as tricksters, you are afraid that you'll find out that you were merely tricked by these people. Or.. if these people truly are superbeings, you really don't care about promoting the truth. Either way, you are just making excuses for your inaction. You'd rather have your tall tales remain anecdotes. That's fine. You can talk all you want, but realize that your anecdotes mean nothing to a skeptic.

 

[CFLarsen]

Steve,

Did you look at the link for the GoldmanSachs account?

 

[BillHoyt]

Unresponsive, Steve.

1. Support your claims.
2. Concede you cannot.
3. Admit you will not answer.

Those are your basic choices at JREF.

Cheers,

 

[SteveGrenard]

Thank you THBK. You don't know who Randi is working with then on this now. Not last year or years ago. I thought so. I read his commentaries. All I see in them is failed attempts scorned and castigated by Randi and which never reach the preliminary stage. This is what he did with Schwartz when he was getting too close to actually examining the data. He refused except under his conditions. I wonder what happened to the rights of the applicant in that case? Out the window I guess.
And I haven't seen one of these in a long while either although he gets as much copy out of them as possible. The magic water purveyors come to mind. LOL.

Also: Can anyone tell me the name on the million in bonds Randi has tucked away somewhere? I am sure if he published this information he would eliminate a lot of speculation and get many more applicants by this simple action alone. Funny nobody willing to tackle this. Wonder why? What does Randi have to hide? Remember, Randi is a self-confessed trickster and charlatan. He freey admts it to your face. It worries people when it comes to serious issues like this whether he likes it or not.

 

[CFLarsen]

Also: Can anyone tell me the name on the million in bonds Randi has tucked away somewhere? I am sure if he published this information he would eliminate a lot of speculation and get many more applicants by this simple action alone. Funny nobody willing to tackle this. Wonder why? What does Randi have to hide? Remember, Randi is a self-confessed trickster and charlatan. He freey admts it to your face. It worries people when it comes to serious issues like this whether he likes it or not.

Steve,

Here.

 

[SteveGrenard]

Claus I did NOT ask if he had them or not. I asked if anybody knew the name on them. As you will note, the name on this
document is neatly BLACKED out.

Do you know the name?

 

[CFLarsen]

Steve,

The money is there. Why is it important to know who came up with it?

Can you understand why somebody would NOT want to say they were rich?

What is your purpose of asking for this name?