Interesting JE Hits....
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Claus,
You could try The College of Psychic Studies as Winbow apparently lectures there.
I've even found his phone number here (about half way down).
BTW I wonder how you become a "Registered" or "Certificated" medium - if only I had more time on my hands...
You could try The College of Psychic Studies as Winbow apparently lectures there.
I've even found his phone number here (about half way down).
BTW I wonder how you become a "Registered" or "Certificated" medium - if only I had more time on my hands...
neofight said:
I'm a skeptic?
I have no problem working with anecdotes, Neo. I don't consider them proof, but I don't write them off as worthless, either. I've never seen a Shelley Peck reading either, which is why I was eager to read reports of people who had been read by her. What they described came across as JVP-style cold reading. And one person, who appears to be a believer in mediumship is even skeptical about her reading.
One thing that I've always found to be strange is that Peck said in an interview on Crossing Over that only about 10 people in the United States (or was it world, can't remember) have the "gift" that she and JE have. That doesn't match what JE says, in fact I think he has either endorsed or spoken/written about more than 10 others.
neofight said:
I don't remember seeing this questions so sorry I didn't answer before.
Yes, I was familiar with this album, it's the one with "The Waiting" (Hard Promises, I think). And actually it was a bit of morphing. First I "saw" a red heart, which turned into the TP symbol (or at least it used to be) of a heart with a guitar going through it, then I saw the album cover.
To be honest, had I just seen the album cover, I would be a little more sure it was mediumship, but the whole morphing thing seems just like my mind wandering. The JOHANN thing is much more compelling to me.
Back to your question, though, yes this would match the frame of reference argument. But I've also seen the word "Tom" before, so I wonder why I wasn't shown this as a name the way I saw "Johann"? My teacher had an answer for this, but I'll save it for the thread I'm going to start about my experience, don't want to drift this highly focused thread, lol.
RC said:
RC can you expand on something?
From what I've read of your account it would seem that you didn't get any "meaning" associated with the symbols? And that it was the sitter who brought "meaning" to the information?
MRC_Hans summed this up pretty well with his post. But to add a few things. How can you deny that they have to be scientific in nature? Telepathy/PSI/ESP is some form of communication if it exists. Mediums regularily state that energy exists in the form of spirits, that they broadcast this energy, that they make a bridge of some sort, blah blah blah. All of this if real should be measurable by scientific measures. Communication on a physical plane has numerous measureable scientific properties. Communication on a supposedly mental plane should exhibit the same (not that its on a purely mental plane because if there is this energy we're communicating with, it has to have a physical manifestation of some sort via vibrating atoms and moleculesneofight said:
I'm curious, voidx, about why you believe that telepathy is more a science, and not an art. How can you say that mediumship is not subjective? Do we know that for a fact? No, of course we don't, since we don't even know if it is real.
Intuition, including telepathy/PSI/ESP if they indeed exist, stems from the right side of the brain, just as do all of the creative and artistic abilities that we might have. Logic and science are related to the left side of the brain. So why are you so convinced that if mediumship is real, it should "very much be a scientific process of communication"?.....neo
). You want to call it a creative process or more of an "art", ok fine. But that does not change the fact that at the most base principle of how this communication works, that there must be a scientifically logical set of principles as to how the communication works. I can sing (disclaimer: actually I can't, I suck) that is an artsy form of how I communicate verbally. It does nothing to change the fact that air and vocal cords and many other scientifically understood principles are what makes that communication possible in the first place. I'm sorry, you can't take a form of communication to be more art than science.Darat said:
That's correct, Darat. I didn't get anything other than the name Johann and the TP symbol/album. After I relayed what I was getting, the sitter said that her two dead grandfathers were Johann and Tom. For full disclosure, the sitter was also the teacher of the class.
RC said:
Interesting I suppose it could be said that the sitter therefore had a vested interest in your progress
Seriously, I do think it is very telling that the confirmation/validation seems to always to come from the sitter filling in the blanks. For instance the "impact in the chest area" type of hit only becomes a hit once the sitter fills in the blanks. The sitter has to say "Oh yes my grandfather was hit in the chest and then died" to make this hit. Otherwise it is meaningless. We never seem to get validations that don’t need infomration from the sitter for it to make sense. (Apart from Steve’s claims.) . We just don't see any evidence that mediums just say "Your grandfather on your mother side, Edward, died from a hit to the chest". The medium needs the sitter to develop the hit.
On another point:
I have often wondered if what happened to you explains why people start to think they have these types of gifts?
I would suggest that for many of us when we are relaxed etc. thoughts and images float across our mind. If you then mention this to someone e.g. "I was just thinking about a red car" and they say "that's spooky as I was just thinking about my grandfather and he always drove a red car", perhaps you'd start to think you had a gift...
MRC_Hans said:
Hello, Hans. Well, I think we do know that intuition is associated with the right side of the brain, and not the left, do we not? And what is telepathy, if not an extension of intuition?
But my comments were actually in response to voidx's statement suggesting that we should not use musicians as being analogous to mediums because music is an art, and there is no science involved. I was simply opining that mediumship could well be considered an art as well.
.....neoquote:
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Originally posted by voidx
Also, musicians et al are also a poor example. They work entirely in the subjective. Their is no scientific process to art, its a subjective experience. Telepathy/PSI/ESP if real should very much be a scientific process of communication, so again, not an apt analogy.
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neofight said:
Neo - do you not realise what HUGE assumptions and leaps you are making with this claim?
neofight said:
But my comments were actually in response to voidx's statement suggesting that we should not use musicians as being analogous to mediums because music is an art, and there is no science involved. I was simply opining that mediumship could well be considered an art as well.
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So why hasn't it developed like all other human "arts" though out the ages? Consider an art form such as photography (roughly the same age as modern mediumship) and the progress and understanding that has been made in this over the last hundred years or so…
This has been brought up before but it still hasn't been answered i.e. why is mediumship so different to every other human skill, ability, endeavour in that it shows no progress...?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Seeing Letters -vs- Hearing Letters
Claus, I don't know where to go look for my actual statement, (perhaps you do?) but I believe that what I was referring to was the fact that at times, the whole 30 minute "Crossing Over" show deals with only ONE reading.
I never said that the reading itself was 30 minutes. You are misinterpreting my remarks.......yet again. Big surprise!
.....neo
CFLarsen said:
Claus, I don't know where to go look for my actual statement, (perhaps you do?) but I believe that what I was referring to was the fact that at times, the whole 30 minute "Crossing Over" show deals with only ONE reading.
I never said that the reading itself was 30 minutes. You are misinterpreting my remarks.......yet again. Big surprise!
.....neoCFLarsen said:
Perhaps you should also tell that Valyou insisted on knowing my personal info, too. But, nooooooo, I would certainly remain anonymous to the medium she was trying to persuade me was real.
Why do you always seem to leave out the little bit of information that completely destroys your story, neo?
Why do I leave it out you ask? I leave it out because it is pure fabrication on your part, numbnuts!
Okay, that was childish. Replace numbnuts with "pinhead".
....neoRe: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Seeing Letters -vs- Hearing Letters
Wrong:
Yes you did.
Where do the remaining 19 minutes go? You know perfectly well that each CO is 22 minutes long, and about half of that time is devoted to anything else but readings.
Where do the remaining 19 minutes go?
Rrrrrright.
Now, answer the question, please: Where do the remaining 19 minutes go?
neofight said:
Wrong:
neofight said:I never said that the reading itself was 30 minutes. You are misinterpreting my remarks.......yet again. Big surprise!
Yes you did.
Where do the remaining 19 minutes go? You know perfectly well that each CO is 22 minutes long, and about half of that time is devoted to anything else but readings.
Where do the remaining 19 minutes go?
neofight said:
Rrrrrright.
Now, answer the question, please: Where do the remaining 19 minutes go?
Darat said:
One could easily argue that it has actually deteriorated, since we have gone from very precise descriptions in the past to the vapid fluff that is used today.
But since any paranormal ability gives you an advantage, evolution-wise, this is therefore much more likely that mediumship is not a real phenomenon.
Posted by Neofight:
And again to reiterate my post responding to this it doesn't matter. Take Darat's example of photography...an art...with a solid basis in science. Sure there are different styles of taking photography, but the essential process of capturing a picture on film is universally understood in a scientific manner. I rather refuse to let you glaze over this point. Communication can be done in different artsy forms, but the process of any communication has its basis in science, period. Hell even music has science behind it. The process by which the musical instruments make sound is scientific, what you do with those sounds and how you arrange them is how its artistic. You're trying to seperate the two in my opinion by saying the science basis of mediumship or telepath/psi/esp is unimportant because its more of an art. I think I've quite convincingly shown that any "art" also has a scientific process behind it. So where is this for the communication used within mediumship?
voidx,
What's the science behind writing? There are rules for it, but they don't explain the ability of some to use the words more effectively than others.
Has our writing ability markedly improved since Shakespeare? You can study the "science" behind communication, but that doesn't make the ability of some to communicate more effectively than others into a science. Perhaps its the same with mediumistic communication--more "art" than "science".
What's the science behind writing? There are rules for it, but they don't explain the ability of some to use the words more effectively than others.
Has our writing ability markedly improved since Shakespeare? You can study the "science" behind communication, but that doesn't make the ability of some to communicate more effectively than others into a science. Perhaps its the same with mediumistic communication--more "art" than "science".