Intelligent Design ...

[Taffer]

And what do you mean by demanding proof? That I should "validate" its meaning to you? The proof is in the fact that you require validation.

Nonesense. You have claimed that existance requires meaning. I asked you to prove this. If you can't, just say it's your belief.

EDITED to make more sense: You need to provide some kind of valid argument. So far, you have not done this...you scabrous deck swabbie...

 

[Iacchus]

There there ya go.

That merely means I haven't given it enough thought and need to "think" about it some more. Nonetheless it's an interesting idea, don't you think?

 

[Taffer]

That merely means I haven't given it enough thought and need to "think" about it some more. Nonetheless it's an interesting idea.

It's not that interesting. You simply claimed that the mind can exist without any matter. I ask you to prove this claim.

 

[Iacchus]

Nonesense. You have claimed that existance requires meaning. I asked you to prove this. If you can't, just say it's your belief.

EDITED to make more sense: You need to provide some kind of valid argument. So far, you have not done this...you scabrous deck swabbie...

If things didn't exist, would we be here tying to explain them?

 

[Mercutio]

If things didn't exist, would we be here tying to explain them?

We have people explaining invisible pink unicorns on this forum. Does that mean they exist?

 

[Taffer]

If things didn't exist, would we be here tying to explain them?

I (nor you) said anything about the existance of existance. You said that existance meant meaning. You have not addressed my question.

 

[Iacchus]

It's not that interesting. You simply claimed that the mind can exist without any matter. I ask you to prove this claim.

Do you believe in the Big Bang? Isn't this in effect when matter was "created?" So, what existed before the Big Bang?

 

[Mercutio]

Do you believe in the Big Bang? Isn't this in effect when matter was "created?" So, what existed before the Big Bang?

Just out of curiosity, Iacchus, how many times have you asked exactly this question on this forum? How many times have you had your question dissected and shown to be a bad question? How many times have you received thoughtful answers to your inane question anyway?

Asked and answered, many times, Iacchus. Did you pay attention any of the previous times? Which is it--did you not understand? Did you understand, and are just trolling? What?

 

[Iacchus]

We have people explaining invisible pink unicorns on this forum. Does that mean they exist?

Yes, I agree, you and others around this forum, have gone a longs ways to define your own pink unicorns.

 

[Mercutio]

Yes, I agree, you and others around this forum, have gone a longs ways to define your own pink unicorns.

You did not answer the question.

 

[Iacchus]

I (nor you) said anything about the existance of existance. You said that existance meant meaning. You have not addressed my question.

As if to say you find no meaning in your own existence? First and foremost, a thing has to exist, before it can have meaning. Which is to say, it has to "register" as something tangible and real.

 

[Iacchus]

You did not answer the question.

Yes, there is no doubt in my mind that these pink unicorns do exist ... except that they are all in your head.

 

[Tricky]

As if to say you find no meaning in your own existence? First and foremost, a thing has to exist, before it can have meaning.

Absolutely incorrect. Many people place meaning in things which don't exist. Have you never heard of mythology?

Which is to say, it has to "register" as something tangible and real.

So, to echo Mercutio, this would mean that invisible purple unicorns are tangible and real. If we were to follow your line of (to be generous) logic, we would assume that all beliefs are correct, even those that contradict each other.

 

[Mercutio]

Yes, there is no doubt in my mind that these pink unicorns do exist ... except that they are all in your head.

So now you waffle on the definition of "existence", too. Your previous statement is growing weaker by the post. Are you willing to just admit your statement "By virtue of the fact that something exists, it has meaning." is meaningless?

 

[Iacchus]

Just out of curiosity, Iacchus, how many times have you asked exactly this question on this forum? How many times have you had your question dissected and shown to be a bad question?

None that I remember. Why is it a bad question?

How many times have you received thoughtful answers to your inane question anyway?

None that I remember.

Asked and answered, many times, Iacchus. Did you pay attention any of the previous times? Which is it--did you not understand? Did you understand, and are just trolling? What?

I think the problem may stem from the fact that I don't recall ever receiving a complete answer. Or, at least one that addressed my need for asking the question.

 

[Tricky]

None that I remember. Why is it a bad question?

None that I remember.

I think the problem may stem from the fact that don't recall ever receiving a complete answer. Or, at least one that addressed my need for asking the question.

This raises the question, "Can anything have meaning to an object which has no memory?"

 

[Mercutio]

None that I remember. Why is it a bad question?

None that I remember.

I think the problem may stem from the fact that I don't recall ever receiving a complete answer. Or, at least one that addressed my need for asking the question.

Why don't you search through your old posts. You will find the answers you seek.

I must say, it stretches belief to the breaking point that you do not remember. I don't know which I would prefer to believe, that you are lying or that you really pay that little attention to people's responses to your questions.

 

[Iacchus]

Absolutely incorrect. Many people place meaning in things which don't exist. Have you never heard of mythology?

There you go with the absolutes again Tricky. Concepts do in fact exist, and concepts do have meaning.

So, to echo Mercutio, this would mean that invisible purple unicorns are tangible and real. If we were to follow your line of (to be generous) logic, we would assume that all beliefs are correct, even those that contradict each other.

Regardless, the only way we'll be able to discern the matter is via the mind.

 

[Mercutio]

There you go with the absolutes again Tricky. Concepts do in fact exist, and concepts do have meaning.

You forget, Trixie, Iacchus has redefined most of the words in the above sentences. Abandon hope...

Regardless, the only way we'll be able to discern the matter is via the mind.

Just curious, Iacchus. Do you recall ever having said that sentence before, and what the reaction was to it?

 

[Iacchus]

This raises the question, "Can anything have meaning to an object which has no memory?"

Perhaps not. But how do you explain the fact that it exists in relation to something else? Isn't this in fact where meaning is derived?