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Intelligent Design

Pixel42 said:
It's also interesting to examine the assumptions PS is making here:



Clearly he has pulled this "a fine a month" statistic out of his nether regions, but he is also assuming that the more miles a driver does the more likely they are to get a speeding ticket. At first sight this seems obvious, but if you think about it a little more a counterargument could be made. Experienced drivers whose jobs are dependant on them retaining their licence may actually be less likely to get tickets than someone who does far fewer miles and (a) hasn't learned where the cameras are most likely to be positioned and (b) hasn't got the same investment in retaining their licence.

I have no idea what the actual statistics are (a couple of minutes googling couldn't find them and I can't be bothered to look further). I just thought it was interesting that we have here yet another example of PartSkeptic assuming that whatever seems obvious to him must necessarily be the case, without bothering to check whether the actual data backs up that assumption.
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Over 30 years driving myself, never had a speeding ticket, not one. Which is even odder given I have owned some seriously fast cars in the past.

So what is PartSkeptics point? Should he/she be allowed to drive recklessly?
 
Pixel42 said:
...... Experienced drivers whose jobs are dependant on them retaining their licence may actually be less likely to get tickets than someone who does far fewer miles and (a) hasn't learned where the cameras are most likely to be positioned and (b) hasn't got the same investment in retaining their licence..........
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He also didn't mention the little help available to everyone in South Africa. Many cars also have speed gun detectors on board, and some GPS units highlight known/ reported radar gun locations.
 
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Pixel42 said:
9 speeding tickets? Bloody hell, that's a lot. I've had just two in 35 years of motoring (both during a period when my local council had ramped up the number of cameras to generate revenue), and I know plenty of people who've never had a single one.
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I've only had two in 43 years of driving.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
You base your statements on your prior assumptions.
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And viewed through a lens clouded by prior psychological issues.

I want to be very careful here, but I suspect the word “prior” above might be generous.

At times I wonder if it’s proper to be engaging PartSkeptic in this manner. It’s certainly an interesting exercise, but might we be feeding something unhealthy that really needs to be dealt with professionally?
 
Wudang said:
Who was it who said "A broken clock is right twice a day and over the years can look back over an unbroken series of successes"?
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Never did like that meme. The clock may be right "twice a day" but if it's broken, how does one know when those two times are? A broken clock is useless except perhaps as a paperweight. Or doorstop in the case of larger models.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I think you totally misunderstood the aphorism.
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What follows is arguably the most famous single sequence in any Goon Show. The show is The Mysterious Punch-up-the-Conker (series 7, episode 18). About 25 minutes in the show, Bluebottle and Eccles are "in the ground floor attic" of a clock repairers. After listening to lots of timepieces ticking, chiming, cuckooing etc. for a while...

Bluebottle What time is it Eccles?
Eccles Err, just a minute. I, I've got it written down 'ere on a piece of paper. A nice man wrote the time down for me this morning.
Bluebottle Ooooh, then why do you carry it around with you Eccles?
Eccles Well, umm, if a anybody asks me the ti-ime, I ca-can show it to dem.
Bluebottle Wait a minute Eccles, my good man...
Eccles What is it fellow?
Bluebottle It's writted on this bit of paper, what is eight o'clock, is writted.
Eccles I know that my good fellow. That's right, um, when I asked the fella to write it down, it was eight o'clock.
Bluebottle Well then. Supposing when somebody asks you the time, it isn't eight o'clock?
Eccles Ah, den I don't show it to dem.
Bluebottle Ooohhh...
Eccles [Smacks lips] Yeah.
Bluebottle Well how do you know when it's eight o'clock?
Eccles I've got it written down on a piece of paper!
Bluebottle Oh, I wish I could afford a piece of paper with the time written on.
Eccles Oohhhh.
Bluebottle 'Ere Eccles?
Eccles Yah.
Bluebottle Let me hold that piece of paper to my ear would you? - 'Ere. This piece of paper ain't goin'.
Eccles What? I've been sold a forgery!
Bluebottle No wonder it stopped at eight o'clock.
Eccles Oh dear.
Bluebottle You should get one of them tings my grandad's got.
Eccles Oooohhh?
Bluebottle His firm give it to him when he retired.
Eccles Oooohhh.
Bluebottle It's one of dem tings what it is that wakes you up at eight o'clock, boils the kettil, and pours a cuppa tea.
Eccles Ohhh yeah! What's it called? Um.
Bluebottle My granma.
Eccles Ohh... Ohh, ah wait a minute. How does she know when it's eight o'clock?
Bluebottle She's got it written down on a piece of paper!
 
abaddon said:
Over 30 years driving myself, never had a speeding ticket, not one. Which is even odder given I have owned some seriously fast cars in the past.

So what is PartSkeptics point? Should he/she be allowed to drive recklessly?
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I am stunned that PartSkeptic can tell us this account about his/her reckless driving. PartSkeptic is a menace on the road, showing no regard for the safety of others. Is he/she totally reliant on a god to prevent accidents?
 
Thor 2 said:
I am stunned that PartSkeptic can tell us this account about his/her reckless driving. PartSkeptic is a menace on the road, showing no regard for the safety of others. Is he/she totally reliant on a god to prevent accidents?
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It's more than a little odd, as a claim. "I can break the law at will and I deserve to be able to do so"? "Rules of the road do not apply to me"? "I can think it into happening despite nine speeding tickets"?

How bizarre can the claims get?
 
Thor 2 said:
I am stunned that PartSkeptic can tell us this account about his/her reckless driving. PartSkeptic is a menace on the road, showing no regard for the safety of others. Is he/she totally reliant on a god to prevent accidents?
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As I think about it, you are correct. Anyone with a conscience would not so lose the plot. Apparently, PartSkeptic has no such conscience. Why? I have no idea, but I find it to be a disturbing position to take.

The notion that "to hell with you all, get out of my way" is no attitude to take on any road. Immoral? Yes. Yes it is and deeply so.
 
Thor 2 said:
I am stunned that PartSkeptic can tell us this account about his/her reckless driving. PartSkeptic is a menace on the road, showing no regard for the safety of others
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This. Given the utter slaughter on our roads every year, it's a proper evil to speed.

PartSkeptic, even if you're God-gifted with psychic foresight and Divine shielding, your bad driving contributes to the overall chaos.

How many cars swerve off the road to let you past, PS? How many are pressured to speed-up to keep you from crowding them? How many deaths have you caused by the ricochets of your arrogance, I wonder?

That you excuse your homicidal tendencies as a basis for superpowers and gods, is only what we have come to expect from you.

You're the Best. Like Trump. Like Zuma.
<golfclap>
 
Pixel42 said:
9 speeding tickets? Bloody hell, that's a lot. I've had just two in 35 years of motoring (both during a period when my local council had ramped up the number of cameras to generate revenue), and I know plenty of people who've never had a single one.
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In my line of work, speeding tickets were assumed to be part of the job by others. Long distances on road that can handle the safe high speeds. THEY did get two or three tickets a month, and I did more mileage than they did (SA and USA).

If one chooses to be a non-speeding citizen who gets bored and talks on their cell phone then you think you are a safe driver? You drive at the speed limit in the fast lane to stop fast drivers?

No speed limit on the German autobahn. Speed does not kill - stupidity and lack of attention and lack of skill surely do. Our taxis who cut in and out and take chances are the killers. As are drunk and drugged drivers.

You are quite right about speed traps being revenue generators - in all countries. They put them where drivers habitually speed because it seems a reasonable safe speed.

South Africa lowered its limits and then chose not to re-adjust the traffic lights. Everyone know that if one does 70kph instead of the posted 60kph they will not have to stop at every second light.

The way you guys go on about safety, I take it that a general speed limit of 4miles per hour and a man walking in front with a red flag is your preferred solution.
 
Donn said:
This. Given the utter slaughter on our roads every year, it's a proper evil to speed.

PartSkeptic, even if you're God-gifted with psychic foresight and Divine shielding, your bad driving contributes to the overall chaos.

How many cars swerve off the road to let you past, PS? How many are pressured to speed-up to keep you from crowding them? How many deaths have you caused by the ricochets of your arrogance, I wonder?

That you excuse your homicidal tendencies as a basis for superpowers and gods, is only what we have come to expect from you.

You're the Best. Like Trump. Like Zuma.
<golfclap>
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What a lot of incorrect assumptions. Male bovine splat!

I pass and drive very safely.

In New Zealand the sheeple there follow a tractor in a long line at 60 kph on a straight road with a speed limit of 100 kph where it is totally safe to overtake. They get upset when I do so - safely.

No doubt you are one. Totally brain-washed into thinking that obeying a stupid unreasonable law whose purpose is to generates taxes is the right thing to do. Give me a break.

The State no doubt loves you. You pay your taxes no matter how corrupt and wasteful the government is. You are an exemplary human being who follows orders because you are so moral.

I am focused and keep well with the limits of safety - for all. I do not pressure the stupid fools that are bad drivers. Irritation is a bad thing to have when driving. I let them have an accident with some-one else.
 
Thor 2 said:
I am stunned that PartSkeptic can tell us this account about his/her reckless driving. PartSkeptic is a menace on the road, showing no regard for the safety of others. Is he/she totally reliant on a god to prevent accidents?
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MikeG said:
He also didn't mention the little help available to everyone in South Africa. Many cars also have speed gun detectors on board, and some GPS units highlight known/ reported radar gun locations.
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Never used them. Anyhow, I do not speed anymore (last five years) because my reflexes are not what they used to be. I no longer need to get to a place in a reasonable time.
 
In the UK anyone who got 2 tickets a month would lose their licence after two months. Is it different in the US and SA? Let's see:

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/driver-license-suspensions-32231.html

Well look at that. What you say cannot possibly be true about your fellow US drivers, as their licences would have been suspended after the first two months.

What's the situation where you are now?

https://www.jp-sa.org/sec35nrta/

Well look at that. Pretty much identical rules.

Could you possibly be exaggerating the tiniest bit, PS? Or perhaps, dare I say it, misremembering the frequency with which something happened in the past?
 
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In New Zealand and South Africa government officials do NOT obey the speed limits. Explain that! Now they push people off the road with their arrogance.
 
Pixel42 said:
In the UK anyone who got 2 tickets a month would lose their licence after two months. Is it different in the US and SA? Let's see:

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/driver-license-suspensions-32231.html

Well look at that. What you say cannot possibly be true about your fellow US drivers, as their licences would have been suspended after the first two months.

What's the situation where you are now?

https://www.jp-sa.org/sec35nrta/

We'll look at that. Pretty much identical rules.

Could you possibly be exaggerating the tiniest bit, PS? Or perhaps, dare I say it, misremembering the frequency with which something happened in the past?
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You ignore the fact that in the USA fines in another State did not count towards the license suspension (in my day anyway).

No suspensions here in SA - not yet law. Or if it is, they have no resources to enforce it.

In New Zealand I nearly lost my license while trying to obey the speed limits. After I ignored the speed limits I got no further tickets.

Not the slightest exaggeration. But then you are biased to not believe me.
 
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