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Intelligent Design

I spent a couple of years designing software for traffic control systems. Clearly I should have just told everybody to wish really hard whilst driving, then nobody would ever get stuck in a traffic jam and I could have saved myself some work.
 
Darat said:
It's better than 99% of the rest of his non-existent evidence!
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I wonder just how mundane we have to get before something isn't a personal favour from god to PS. If the toast falls maramalade side up, does that mean god?
 
Pixel42 said:
I spent a couple of years designing software for traffic control systems. Clearly I should have just told everybody to wish really hard whilst driving, then nobody would ever get stuck in a traffic jam and I could have saved myself some work.
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Clearly God has the source code. :p
 
PartSkeptic said:
I watched my wife die of cancer. I have also suffered. Subjective is always worse than the big picture. A recession is when your friend loses their job, a depression is when you lose your job.

I have seen good people live happy lives, and the not so good be unhappy, and some nasties get serious suffering. So it works for me. Of course, it is funny you should bring this up.
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Is there a contradiction in here or is it just me. So your wife and you were not so good?

What is this nonsense about recession and depression?

It seems you and other posters live in a different world where only the physical laws apply and ordinary things happen. Half an hour ago I was relaxing in the swimming pool on a hot Johannesburg afternoon. I thought about some strange things that have happened in the last month.

I will not elaborate because the implications (if there is something supernatural going on) make me a little uneasy.
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:confused::confused:

But there was an incident where I had to rush to a factory to check the burglar alarm. The traffic here is typically crazy with people driving different speeds and blocking lanes even on good days. The traffic lights are un-synchronized as well. By focusing on getting "good luck" I could get there at just a little over the speed limits at all times, with no-one blocking me. Not one light stopped me, or slowed me.

I have done this many times before and I can rely on it.
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Yes, you were quite clearly being looked after here. Pity about all those other poor dudes, who don't have your trick, and are being held up to clear the way for you.:rolleyes:

Now you guys do not have this happen to you. You live in a different world. If the universe is an illusion then perhaps it can be "shaped" by thought.

Your standard answer is A) PS is delusional or B) he was just lucky by the law of large numbers C) he is lying D) confirmation bias.

You guys are in denial. I tell you so many events, and get the same response - namely "round up the usual suspects".

Do I need validation from anyone on this site? No. I like to think about what might be happening, and this forum provides a means of focusing my mind.
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:confused: Over my head.
 
PartSkeptic said:
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As for granting small rather than big prayer requests, again your logic is faulty. Ask a boss to leave 5 minutes early and he/she will likely not hesitate. Try asking for the next week off with pay and no leave deduction and it will be a minor miracle if granted.
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Not a very good analogy.

In the first case, the request is for a trivial favor.

In the second case, the request is for an unearned and undeserved hand-out.

A better analogy reflecting the real situation would be:

Asking a boss to leave five minutes early to meet your wife

vs

Asking a boss to leave five minutes early to take your wife to the emergency room.

The first case is again a request for a trivial favor.

The second case is now a request to possibly save someone's life.

God grants a prayer to find lost keys, but not a prayer to save a life.
 
Humots said:
Not a very good analogy.

In the first case, the request is for a trivial favor.

In the second case, the request is for an unearned and undeserved hand-out.

A better analogy reflecting the real situation would be:

Asking a boss to leave five minutes early to meet your wife

vs

Asking a boss to leave five minutes early to take your wife to the emergency room.

The first case is again a request for a trivial favor.

The second case is now a request to possibly save someone's life.

God grants a prayer to find lost keys, but not a prayer to save a life.
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Obviously, god has a fetish for keys. That's why the Vatican features them so prominently...
 
abaddon said:
Obviously, god has a fetish for keys. That's why the Vatican features them so prominently...
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Perhaps so.

I have mislaid keys many times but eventually found them after considerable cussing where Jesus Christ got a mention. Could be my prayers were answered because God missed the expletives surrounding the sacred name.:D
 
PartSkeptic said:
Let me see. I try to find something and am about to give up. Perhaps prayer will help. Do so. Find the thing. It happens quite regularly.
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Maybe if you tried praying before you start looking, things wouldn't be in the last płace you look for them.
 
Mojo said:
Maybe if you tried praying before you start looking, things wouldn't be in the last płace you look for them.
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As I recall Billy Connolly had something to say about this.

When you find something it is always in the last place you look. If you keep looking in other places after you found it you are certifiable.
 
MikeG said:
I wonder just how mundane we have to get before something isn't a personal favour from god to PS. If the toast falls maramalade side up, does that mean god?
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If, over your lifetime, it always did, would you not wonder?

No, of course you would not.

And if you set up a scientific demonstration and only then it became random, you would be utterly frustrated that some intelligence was acting behind the scenes.
 
Mojo said:
Maybe if you tried praying before you start looking, things wouldn't be in the last płace you look for them.
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Ridiculous. Surely even you see that. Oh, I am going to get my keys from their usual place. Please God, make sure they are there. :eye-poppi

Oh, they are not there. Please God, let them be in the other place.

You will have to do better than that. And most of the time it is not keys.

And what about the fact that I can find things that other people have lost - in places I am not familiar with?
 
Thor 2 said:
As I recall Billy Connolly had something to say about this.

When you find something it is always in the last place you look. If you keep looking in other places after you found it you are certifiable.
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Should I have included a smiley of some sort?
 
PartSkeptic said:
Ridiculous. Surely even you see that. Oh, I am going to get my keys from their usual place. Please God, make sure they are there. :eye-poppi

Oh, they are not there. Please God, let them be in the other place.
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I agree, it's ridiculous.
 
PartSkeptic said:
If, over your lifetime, it always did, would you not wonder?
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Certainly. And if you had never had a single piece of bad luck in your life (which would be the equivalent) I would be wondering whether there was indeed something special about you. But you have shared enough details about your personal life for me to know that is not the case.

PartSkeptic said:
And if you set up a scientific demonstration and only then it became random, you would be utterly frustrated that some intelligence was acting behind the scenes.
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If I perceived such a pattern based on the data my unconscious mind brought to the attention of my conscious awareness but, when I carefully monitored all the data, that pattern disappeared, I would conclude that my brain had been doing its usual let-through-the-signal-and-filter-out-the-noise thing. I certainly would not conclude that the laws of nature operated differently when I don't give them my full attention to the way they behave when I do.
 
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MikeG said:
Sorry..........you drove to your factory without a traffic jam, therefore god? Is that it?
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Apparently.

About 10 years ago I had a friend over from out of town. She wanted to go see the Catholic curch in my home town. So we drove there, and behold, a single parking spot was available, right across the road from the church. God provided that for us.
"You really believe that, don't you?"
"Well... Yes."
 
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