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Intelligent Design

They do not seem so, they tell you so.

Besides, God could create it by evolution. Evolution is not contrary to design.

But in reality there is no evolution.

Ok, specific details then.

Why did your god create mitochondria (and chloroplasts in plants) so that a cell cannot produce one on its own AND needs to synthesize two different versions of ribosomes (three in plants) with two (or three) different genetic codes, when a single one would do and waste far less resources?

Why does the autoimmune system not recognize internal threats?

If there is no evolution, why does the E.coli long term evolution program work?

In fact, why are there different versions of ribosomes and genetic codes among the areas of life at all?
 
Why are we able to detect the chromosome fusion from chimpanzees to humans? Why do some plants have multiple copies of chromosomes?
 
Yes. Because this world is not Paradise It has a mixture of Paradise and hell.

In this world, the punishment and the reward are intertwined. And since this life was finite, we were created as mortal.

I have described in the following Turkish writings and gave the relevant verses.

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/2011/07/evrendeki-kusursuzluk-kendi-sart-ve.html

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/2013/11/kotuluk-problemine-cevap.html

Peace

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Stop peddling nonsense.
 
Oh they were designed, which is why their internal workings are elegant and minimal, unlike the mess that is genetics.


Genetics is probably the most elegant of designs.

Self-repairing units, capable of incredible creativity and skill, and designed to maximize their ability to manipulate their environment. As well as create amazing art, music and dance.

The army has copied the mule as a carrier of goods. Robotics are copying humans as example of skillful multi-functional versatile units.

To think otherwise is simply denial by focusing fake perceptions of faults.
 
Genetics is probably the most elegant of designs.

Self-repairing units, capable of incredible creativity and skill, and designed to maximize their ability to manipulate their environment. As well as create amazing art, music and dance.

Disagree with this use of the word “elegant”.

1) “Junk DNA” seems at least superficially inelegant - just excess baggage.

2) We have a “frog pond”. The number of eggs laid by a single frog, and tadpoles hatched is truly stunning. The vast majority are doomed to die before reaching adulthood. It must be so, or we’d be knee-deep in frogs in just a few generations. It works, but “elegant”? Not in my book.
 
Genetics is probably the most elegant of designs.

Which "elegant" process is making mistakes all the time. Many are trivial or nonconsequential, some are "beneficial" in an after-the-fact sort of way, and some of them are fatal. And not one shred of empirical evidence for "design."
 
The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.

Richard Dawkins - River Out Of Eden

And I would add, “no elegance”.
 
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Did our cell phones evolve, or did they evolve guided by intelligent design?
There was evolution by artificial selection - the ones that had the most features people actually wanted were bought more and hence multiplied, the ones that didn't fell by the wayside. But engineers were actively observing what features were most useful and popular and deliberately coming up with better versions of them, i.e there was also intelligent design.

Once intelligence evolved, intelligent design proved to be a much more effective and many times faster way than natural selection to innovate and improve. But living things first had to evolve by natural selection as that was all that was available, which is why it took so long and produced so many things that could easily have been improved if a little thought had gone into them.
 
Evolution is incredibly elegant and convenient - from the point of view of DNA.
Why should it care how its containers feel?
 
Genetics is probably the most elegant of designs.

Self-repairing units, capable of incredible creativity and skill, and designed to maximize their ability to manipulate their environment. As well as create amazing art, music and dance.

The army has copied the mule as a carrier of goods. Robotics are copying humans as example of skillful multi-functional versatile units.

To think otherwise is simply denial by focusing fake perceptions of faults.

So, I take it you've never worked in genetics or looked into it in any detail then?

Even microbial genetics are a cobbled together mess of duplicate genes, non-functional genes, remnant virii, unneeded transposons etc.
Eukaryotic genetics is far worse as it also contains half inserts from mitochondrial DNA, fully non-functional expression systems and a very clunky method to prevent cells from multicellular organisms from dividing unchecked, which when it goes wrong leads to cancer and it can go wrong in a LOT of ways.

Now, evolutionary this is all explainable as natural selection has no goal, no purpose and doesn't care about elegance and we can learn a LOT from it.

But if you examine it as something *designed* by and *intelligent* agency we can only conclude the designer was malevolent, utterly incompetent, high as a kite or a combination of the three when it designed life.

I mean, take a program designed by committee, then run trough a nations government to be adopted by a hostile government, ran trough another committee and then given to corrupt burocrats and you'de still end up with something better designed than the genetics of life as it is.
3.5 billion years of random events acted upon by natural selection can explain that, but design? No.
 
Evolution is incredibly elegant and convenient - from the point of view of DNA.
Why should it care how its containers feel?

For me everything that didn't make sense about evolution "clicked" perfectly when I was introduced to the gene-centered view of evolution.

You are not evolving. People are not evolving. Individual organisms are not evolving. Species are not evolving.

Our genes are.
 
Genetics is probably the most elegant of designs.

Self-repairing units, capable of incredible creativity and skill, and designed to maximize their ability to manipulate their environment. As well as create amazing art, music and dance.

The army has copied the mule as a carrier of goods. Robotics are copying humans as example of skillful multi-functional versatile units.

To think otherwise is simply denial by focusing fake perceptions of faults.

This of course is just a giant argument from ignorance.

There is no reason to claim Genetics is the result of design other than you want it to be. Man has created many things including sand castles in the sky as well as an invisible imaginary being for which there isn't a shred of evidence for.

My question is why would you believe there is a designer that there isn't a shred of evidence for? And why would you live your life according to first century humans that said they know the mind of a designer that no one can comprehend or demonstrate exists?
 

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