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Intelligence official say U.S. has retrieved craft of non-human origin

Pixel42 said:
Didn't think this was worth starting a new thread for.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/aliens-in-mexico-congress-ufo-b2410477.html



Scratching my head over the highlighted:
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Those "corpses" look sort of like paper mache. Why do they remind me of E.T., the Spielberg alien?

As to the DNA being extracted by radiocarbon dating, it doesn't seem to make sense, but DNA does have a half-life of about 500 years, so the older the specimen, the more degraded it becomes. So "over 30% of the specimens’ DNA was “unknown”" might just mean that the DNA had degraded over time in a specimen around 300 years old.

Given the history of claims involving the individual in question, I assume it's more likely to be a hoax than an honest mistake. The corpses simply don't look real to me, and have a striking similarity to a famous movie alien. Hard to imagine that's a coincidence.
 
Screams fake in your face.

And,

"Mr Maussan has previously been associated with claims of “alien” discoveries that have later been debunked, including five mummies found in Peru in 2017 that were later shown to be human children."
 
Oh, this one gets better!

Maussan said: “These specimen are not part of our terrestrial evolution... These aren’t beings that were found after a UFO wreckage. They were found in diatom (algae) mines, and were later fossilized.”

So, these things were "fossilised" AFTER they were found in a diatom mine.

Does this berk want to re-write pretty much every geology course on the planet?
 
If I use enough sciencey type words I'll baffle the rubes. Gotta work "quantum" in there to be truly true.
 
Mick West tore this fraud a new one back in 2017:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/hoax-three-fingered-nazca-mummy.8841/

So what is this three-fingered mummy? I can think of a number of possibilities that I'll give it what seems like the more likely order to me.

A modern fake mummy, created from a combination of human and animal bones, create for the show
Modern Fake, but created locally, without the show's immediate knowledge
Older fake, created for tourists
Very old fake, actually mummified, but made from human and animals.
A deformed human
An unknown species of animal
An extraterrestrial species, like a visiting alien
Suspicion of a modern fake comes in part from the people involved:

Jaime Maussan is a UFOologist - a journalist well known in UFO circles as someone who hypes evidence-free claims of aliens, etc. He appears to be the person who led Gaia to the mummy.

Jay Weidner of Gaia has a long history of making esoteric videos like "chemtrails and the sun", and does not seems like a neutral documentary filmmaker. He holds some quite strong unscientific beliefs,
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I feel bad for Mexico being targeted for this circus.
 
Mick West:

I'm done with the ridiculous alien bodies nonsense. They are fake.

Some real boring science tomorrow 7AM PT, 10AM ET, it's the NASA briefing on how there's no evidence of ET visits, but we might as well learn something about something by studying UFOs.
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NASA:
NASA to Release, Discuss Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Report

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Axxman300 said:
Mick West tore this fraud a new one back in 2017:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/hoax-three-fingered-nazca-mummy.8841/
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Yeah, Maussan takes old but real human and animal bones and molds the shape of an alien creature around them out of paper mache and plaster. He then has the thing x-rayed, the x-rays show the bones, and he declares this proves they're "real".

It's not an uncommon flavor of ancient-aliens chicanery to take genuine ancient human remains that look kind of weird and misrepresent them as alien bodies, but what this guy does is on a whole other ghoulish and frankly revolting level.
 
Ryan Graves
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After the U.S. Congressional UFO hearing, I accepted an invitation to testify before the Mexican Congress hoping to keep up the momentum of government interest in pilot experiences with UAP. Unfortunately, yesterday’s demonstration was a huge step backwards for this issue. My testimony centered on sharing my experience and the UAP reports I hear from commercial and military aircrew through ASA’s witness program. I will continue to raise awareness of UAP as an urgent matter of aerospace safety, national security, and science, but I am deeply disappointed by this unsubstantiated stunt.
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Graves clearly wants to distance himself from the paper mache alien bodies.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
Oh, this one gets better!

Maussan said: “These specimen are not part of our terrestrial evolution... These aren’t beings that were found after a UFO wreckage. They were found in diatom (algae) mines, and were later fossilized.”

So, these things were "fossilised" AFTER they were found in a diatom mine.

Does this berk want to re-write pretty much every geology course on the planet?
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What's a "diatom mine"? Diatoms are plants.... Or is this a reference to diatomaceous earth?
 
Pixel42 said:
The BBC are doing one of their live reports on the NASA briefing:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-66810538
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Been working today and other than a brief glance in the morning I haven't had the time to look through this. A couple of lines that stood out to me:

In brief, here's what we learned from the team of scientists today.

  • Nasa is "looking for signs of life, past and present" beyond Earth
  • Scientists say they want the discussion of UAPs (Nasa's term for UFOs) to shift from "sensationalism to science"
  • Most UFO sightings are explicable, but a "small handful" cannot be immediately identified as "known human-made or natural phenomena"
  • There is no evidence that UAPs come from outer space - they just don't know what they are
  • Nasa will continue to investigate reports of UAPs, including by increasing the volume and quality of data, using AI and involving the wider public
  • Nasa has appointed a new director of UAP research, but is not naming them
  • It's [sic] findings will be "transparent" - including if it ever discovered signs of extra-terrestrial life
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So they'll be transparent about their findings but not transparent about who is the new director of UAP research?

Does anyone know who what the previous director of UAP research and why they are no longer in that position?

I like that they pointed out that "Most UFO sightings are explicable" and that even those that aren't "immediately identifiable" lack any evidence that they "come from outer space".
 
Puppycow said:
So they'll be transparent about their findings but not transparent about who is the new director of UAP research?

Does anyone know who what the previous director of UAP research and why they are no longer in that position?
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It appears that the position carries the price of being the target of harassment and death threats.

It is not immediately clear who threatens the life of the director and the panel members, but I hope it is from UFO believers and conspiracy theorists who are enraged if the panel does not come to the conclusion that aliens are among us.
 
Because they think, due to people like David Grusch, that NASA is not just failing to find evidence of aliens, but is actively covering up the existence of aliens that the government knows exist. That's what he said.

It's a shame that they are getting death threats but the believers will take this as evidence that they are not being transparent.

Grusch claims that the U.S. federal government maintains a highly secretive UFO retrieval program and possesses multiple spacecraft of non-human origin as well as corpses of deceased pilots.[17][18][19][20] Grusch also claims there is "substantive evidence that white-collar crime" took place to conceal UFO programs and that he had interviewed officials who said that people had been killed to conceal the programs.[21]
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He also said something about a massive government "psyop" or some such thing (I can't remember his exact words) to mislead the public. Some have even suggested that Grusch himself is a target of a psyop.

With all due respect to Shapiro, this misses the long history of U.S. government agencies explicitly manufacturing vast amounts of evidence to abuse individuals’ interest in UFOs to uncover potential leakers and moles. After all, a lot of people would love to go down in history as the person who uncovered a decades-long conspiracy of government wrongdoing — and intelligence agencies exploit that fact. It’s entirely possible that Grusch totally believes everything he’s said. It’s also entirely possible that he actually was handed evidence of it by government personnel. In fact, they’ve done just that before.

The most notable and well-documented such incident, which bears a striking similarity to Grusch’s case, is the tragic case of veteran, successful government contractor, and electrical physicist Paul Bennewitz. By the government’s own admission, Bennewitz was literally driven to insanity after U.S. agents made him the “object of a program of psychological destabilization” to convince him of an imminent alien invasion in order to distract him from evidence of secret programs he’d obtained.
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To someone who believes all of that stuff, then clearly NASA is helping to cover something up.
 
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