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Intelligence official say U.S. has retrieved craft of non-human origin

Andy_Ross said:
The organisation is based in a film studio in England. They use it as cover.
This organisation includes a moon base equipped with missile firing interceptors, submarines able to launch rocket propelled fighters and combat teams ready to clean up any crash site and capture aliens that land

There's an extensive TV documentary series about it.
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They're some form of U.N.I.T?
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Because the other pilots quickly realised that the "UFOs" were ducks or similar aquatic birds flying at a much lower altitude over the sea in the opposite direction.
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That does explain the video with the fast-scrolling background and the two guys' voices just having fun trying to get their systems to track it, not even acting like they think it's doing anything strange because it's going in a straight line at a constant speed. In a case like that, I wouldn't expect to hear more from those guys because what they have to say is already in the video, and I wouldn't wonder about getting more evidence because the video contains nothing to indicate that there would be any more other than the video.

But that's not the example I heard him talking about that made me wonder about the other pilots in the unit. That story was about black cubes within clear spheres flying near the planes over & over again during one flight after another and sometimes pulling weird maneuvers. That's a case where there should be more: more pilots coming out with it after the first one did, videos or other sensor data from the planes' onboard systems, video from somebody's own personal camera that he took into the cockpit because of these things, even just a voice recording of the pilots reacting to one of them live.

BTW, unrelated to either that particular testimony or the particular (type of) video you mentioned: has anybody here heard of an explanation for the one that seems to be just above the tops of the clouds, moving in a relatively simple linear fashion without any wacky maneuvers but also oddly rotating while it does so, with the voice recording of people talking about how strange it was and wondering what it could be?
 
Delvo said:
That does explain the video with the fast-scrolling background and the two guys' voices just having fun trying to get their systems to track it, not even acting like they think it's doing anything strange because it's going in a straight line at a constant speed. In a case like that, I wouldn't expect to hear more from those guys because what they have to say is already in the video, and I wouldn't wonder about getting more evidence because the video contains nothing to indicate that there would be any more other than the video.

But that's not the example I heard him talking about that made me wonder about the other pilots in the unit. That story was about black cubes within clear spheres flying near the planes over & over again during one flight after another and sometimes pulling weird maneuvers. That's a case where there should be more: more pilots coming out with it after the first one did, videos or other sensor data from the planes' onboard systems, video from somebody's own personal camera that he took into the cockpit because of these things, even just a voice recording of the pilots reacting to one of them live.

BTW, unrelated to either that particular testimony or the particular (type of) video you mentioned: has anybody here heard of an explanation for the one that seems to be just above the tops of the clouds, moving in a relatively simple linear fashion without any wacky maneuvers but also oddly rotating while it does so, with the voice recording of people talking about how strange it was and wondering what it could be?
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I think you'll have to give me/us a link. ;)
 
Puppycow said:
I love how Grusch avoids answering any and all probing questions by claiming he can't speak about it in public because it's classified. What a clever dodge. I hope they call his bluff. I wish someone would flat-out say "I don't believe you. You haven't shown us a shred of evidence." I also think it's unlikely that any of this stuff is actually Top Secret. Because it doesn't exist. Something has to actually be real to be a secret.
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They kept saying they can talk about it in a skiff?
Don't know what that is but presume it means a private meeting, in which case the congresspeople should have immediately called for the skiff to happen forthwith and poste haste as the purpose of this congress thingy is to gather info.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Mick West shows how it should be done.

Tracking Down a Tic-Tac UFO

"Look, up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's Superman!"

No, it's a plane.

A voice in the wilderness.
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He says the tictac shape is a digital artifact, but doesn't really address the witness statement that he put onscreen that says they spotted the tictac shape and recorded it for about 1 min.
Why did they decide to record in the first place? Presumably it wouldn't look tictac to their eyes? Were they recording and just staring at the screen and not bothering to actually look out the window themselves? Are they just lying?
Mick West gets a 5/10, does not adequately explain the phenomenom.
 
p0lka said:
He says the tictac shape is a digital artifact, but doesn't really address the witness statement that he put onscreen that says they spotted the tictac shape and recorded it for about 1 min.
Why did they decide to record in the first place? Presumably it wouldn't look tictac to their eyes? Were they recording and just staring at the screen and not bothering to actually look out the window themselves? Are they just lying?
Mick West gets a 5/10, does not adequately explain the phenomenom.
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Perception is a sketchy thing. From the distance and angle that aircraft does look tictak shaped. But like the proverbial blind men and the elephant, it's not the whole picture of what the object very most likely was.

Back in the early Nineties when I was living in Fukuoka, Japan, I took a night bicycle ride that came to a hilltop shrine. From the hill I could see what I thought was the Naka River. The illusion persisted till I realized that the river should be on the other side of the hill. Then and only then did the scene shift and what had been a river was just a misperception of a combination of road, trees, and shadows.

I've also recorded here how one evening the view out my bedroom window presented a Northern California hill covered with brown grass and a few trees.
This apparition was fully convincing, even though I knew such wasn't there. It took a change in my position to collapse it.

This is one of the reasons anecdote is poor evidence for scientific consideration.
(This is an anecdote.)
 
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p0lka said:
They kept saying they can talk about it in a skiff? Don't know what that is but presume it means a private meeting...
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They refer to a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facility), an architectural feature where secure information (generally classified information) is stored and where discussion of such materials can proceed in confidence. We have one at work. You surrender your electronic devices, which are locked in a Faraday cage locker just outside, and all electronic and computer networking provisions for that room are subject to struct isolation protocols.

And yes, I really do hope they call his bluff. Sadly I think this was just a joint dog and pony show.
 
p0lka said:
He says the tictac shape is a digital artifact, but doesn't really address the witness statement that he put onscreen that says they spotted the tictac shape and recorded it for about 1 min.
Why did they decide to record in the first place? Presumably it wouldn't look tictac to their eyes? Were they recording and just staring at the screen and not bothering to actually look out the window themselves? Are they just lying?
Mick West gets a 5/10, does not adequately explain the phenomenom.
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Mick demonstrates pretty conclusively that there was a regular mundane airliner traveling in the direction, location and time as the so called tic-tac. What more do you want?
 
Delvo said:
BTW, unrelated to either that particular testimony or the particular (type of) video you mentioned: has anybody here heard of an explanation for the one that seems to be just above the tops of the clouds, moving in a relatively simple linear fashion without any wacky maneuvers but also oddly rotating while it does so, with the voice recording of people talking about how strange it was and wondering what it could be?
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Yes, its simple. The rotation is glare, and exactly matches the rotation that the gimbal-based camera unit that was tracking it would need to take in order to track it.

There are other parts of glare on the screen that exactly match that rotation of the center object, as you would expect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs&ab_channel=MickWest

In fact, the file itself was named "Gimbal" which means whoever made it had a very good idea what was causing the effect and new it was something mundane.
 
p0lka said:
He says the tictac shape is a digital artifact, but doesn't really address the witness statement that he put onscreen that says they spotted the tictac shape and recorded it for about 1 min.
Why did they decide to record in the first place?
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Gord_in_Toronto said:
Mick demonstrates pretty conclusively that there was a regular mundane airliner traveling in the direction, location and time as the so called tic-tac. What more do you want?
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Apparently, a reason why the camera owner thought it didn't look like a plane, when the camera wasn't involved yet.

My first thought was the angle giving almost no view of a wing, plus the distance making details as hard to resolve for a human as they are for a camera doing "digital zoom" (really just image enlargement). But the angle wasn't right. You'd need to be mostly beside and just barely above to get that effect in straight level flight; to get it from way up above, the plane you're looking at would need to be banking pretty hard.
 
Delvo said:
Apparently, a reason why the camera owner thought it didn't look like a plane, when the camera wasn't involved yet.

My first thought was the angle giving almost no view of a wing, plus the distance making details as hard to resolve for a human as they are for a camera doing "digital zoom" (really just image enlargement). But the angle wasn't right. You'd need to be mostly beside and just barely above to get that effect in straight level flight; to get it from way up above, the plane you're looking at would need to be banking pretty hard.
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We don't know he thought it was a tic-tac when he saw it visually. Mick did not provide a calculation on how far away the object was from the observer but just as a WAG what he saw was a white, undifferentiated dot. The camera generated the tic-tackyness. Mick's analysis puts an airliner in the location of the tic-tac. Are we supposed to think there were two objects involved? Do the space aliens have such advanced technology that they can spoof human computer records to place a scheduled plane in the correct location to mask their tic-tac? If so, we might as well give up now.
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While we're all having fun with this topic, the fact is some very silly people with an agenda have made serious inroads into the public consciousness, and in Congress.

The joke is currently on us.

UFOs/UAPs are now considered real, without any debate right now. The major news outlets have done almost zero fact-checking on anything testified to in that hearing. The NY Post is the lone acception, and since they're a tabloid no one listens to them. Meanwhile the NY Times has jumped into the belief column with both feet, thanks to an inhouse reporter who's been a longtime Woo-laid drinker.

Here's the latest one from the Jerusalem Post about Russians shooting it out with teh aliens:

https://www.jpost.com/omg/article-753288

In the testimony, Knapp said that the Russians had carried out what may have been the largest-ever UFO investigation in history, spanning a decade and the entire breadth of the Russian military echelon. He said he had spoken with a Russian military official, Col. Boris Sokolov, who said that there had been no less than 45 different incidents where Russian fighter jets had clashed with UFOs – with Russian jets crashing in three of these incidents, resulting in the deaths of two pilots in clashes with UFOs.

One incident that really raised alarm bells, though, was at a Russian ICBM base in Ukraine. According to Sokolov, the UFOs "somehow took control of the launch system."
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George Knapp is the source. He talked with one Russian colonel. There's a name that pops up that some of you know, but you should have him on your radars:

Another prominent researcher is Stanford University professor Dr. Garry Nolan. Despite not being an astrophysicist like Loeb (Nolan is best known as an immunologist), Nolan has been very active in the study of UFOs/UAPs after his 2012 analysis of what was believed to be an alien corpse found in Chile. This later progressed to research to UAPs and how they impacted the brains of those who observed them.

His work has seen him collaborate with government task forces, the CIA, and publish peer-reviewed articles about UFOs.

At the recent Salt iConnections conference in New York, Nolan revealed that he thinks advanced and intelligent alien life has "100%" not only already visited Earth, are still here, and have "been here for a long time."
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Nolan is a bad actor with academic credentials. He's used the Tic-Tac story to insert his beliefs into the government.
 
Axxman300 said:
While we're all having fun with this topic, the fact is some very silly people with an agenda have made serious inroads into the public consciousness, and in Congress.

The joke is currently on us.

UFOs/UAPs are now considered real, without any debate right now. The major news outlets have done almost zero fact-checking on anything testified to in that hearing. The NY Post is the lone acception, and since they're a tabloid no one listens to them. Meanwhile the NY Times has jumped into the belief column with both feet, thanks to an inhouse reporter who's been a longtime Woo-laid drinker.

Here's the latest one from the Jerusalem Post about Russians shooting it out with teh aliens:

https://www.jpost.com/omg/article-753288



George Knapp is the source. He talked with one Russian colonel. There's a name that pops up that some of you know, but you should have him on your radars:



Nolan is a bad actor with academic credentials. He's used the Tic-Tac story to insert his beliefs into the government.
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Just out of interest, who is this NYT reporter?

I think you are right, that plenty of people are credulousky parroting the idea that “they proved UFOs was real!”

It’s yet another piece of BS that is parroted by podcast land as though a big cover-up has finally been exposed.
 
One of the things that really should be done if time travel is possible is to go back in time and give a thumping the the guy in the bar who called out to Mac Brazel, "What you got there Mac? One of those flying saucers?"
 
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