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Moderated Infinity!!!

"Christian and other apologists and casuists keep telling us that infinity is a nonsense concept that is not in reality."


Yes... GDon... had you read more than the first line of the OP you might have noticed the highlighted bits below.

So posting those pictures only proves my point... Christianity is a contradictory claptrap and its apologists are perfidious charlatans.

Which is what the OP says.... I suggest you read beyond the first line.


Christian and other apologists and casuists keep telling us that infinity is a nonsense concept that is not in reality.

Of course they do this in the context of trying to cobble together coherent apologetics and sophistry for their gods.

As is usually the case with apologetics... ironically and risibly... the very apologists who keep harping on how infinity is nonsense in order to "prove" their gods... turn around and start brandishing infinity when it comes to denying indeterminism in order to keep their gods in the game.
The concept of indeterminism threatens the coherence of any god concepts.... "god does not play dice".

So what to do?

Deny randomness and indeterminism.

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Of course not.... despite the dissimulations and pretenses that they are not talking about their god.... they know the truth... and all is right for the night and they can sleep tight with the satisfaction that they beat reality into submission to their infinitely powerful and infinitely prescient and infinitely amazing gods.
 
Sometimes some soapbox preachers get so cross-eyed steamed up about their subjects while ranting from atop their crate on the corner of some lonely street that they completely fail to see when they are being heckled. Instead, they think the noise is support for their ranting, and thus their chosen rant topic. From there, the leg-pulling can only get worse.
 
I am so pleased to see your concern to defend Christian apologists... from my egregious slander of them.... thanks for that... they need all the defenders they can get the poor oppressed nice guys.:eye-poppi:boggled::eek:

Are you really suggesting that because we don't share their beliefs we shouldn't care about accurately representing those beliefs for the sake of argument? How is that any different than some Christian starting an argument with a claim that atheists keep telling them that they reject God because they don't want to be held accountable for their sins, or because they had strained relationships with their fathers?

Your argument claims that Christians "keep telling us" that they derisively reject the concept of infinity. That's the foundational statement of your argument. But the fact is that they don't. If you dig deep enough you can probably find a handful of Christians who hold personal interpretations that involve some apologetics regarding the concept of infinity, but most Christians believe that God is infinite, that his power is infinite, that his knowledge is infinite, and that his creation is infinite. Your above passive-aggressive deflection doesn't even deny the error of your claim, but rather it seeks to excuse it by implying that I was defending people who don't deserve defense.
 
Sometimes some soapbox preachers get so cross-eyed steamed up about their subjects while ranting from atop their crate on the corner of some lonely street that they completely fail to see when they are being heckled. Instead, they think the noise is support for their ranting, and thus their chosen rant topic. From there, the leg-pulling can only get worse.


Whom are you talking about? Sounds just like Jesus... unfortunately for the ill begotten Zombified human sacrifice... his "leg pulling" was all too literal.
 
Christian and other apologists and casuists keep telling us that infinity is a nonsense concept that is not in reality.

Your argument claims that Christians "keep telling us" that they derisively reject the concept of infinity. That's the foundational statement of your argument. ...


No it is not... it is your STRAWMANNING of my argument which can be clearly read had you bothered to read the OP instead of the strawman version you want it to be.

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No it is not... it is your STRAWMANNING of my argument which can be clearly read had you bothered to read the OP instead of the strawman version you want it to be.

Sorry, you don't get to cry "strawman!" because I shortened "Christian and other apologists and casuists" to "Christians".

So where are these other apologists and casuists who keep telling us they reject the concept of infinity? Are you going to attempt to mask your inability to support that part of the claim with a histrionic protest that summarizing your text "infinity is a nonsense concept that is not in reality" as "reject the concept of infinity" constitutes a strawman?
 
Sorry, you don't get to cry "strawman!" because I shortened "Christian and other apologists and casuists" to "Christians".


Yes I do get to do that because what you are doing is the definition of a strawman fallacy... do you know what strawmanning means... do you know what quoting means?


So where are these other apologists and casuists who keep telling us they reject the concept of infinity?


Have you ever heard of Muslims or Jewish apologists or any other theistic casuists??

Do you know what is an apologist or a casuist?


Are you going to attempt to mask your inability to support <snip stuff for many QEDs>...


Here have a look how wrong you are... QED!!!


And

Temporal finitism
Temporal finitism is the doctrine that time is finite in the past. The philosophy of Aristotle, expressed in such works as his Physics, held that although space was finite, with only void existing beyond the outermost sphere of the heavens, time was infinite. This caused problems for mediaeval Islamic, Jewish, and Christian philosophers who, primarily creationist, were unable to reconcile the Aristotelian conception of the eternal with the Genesis creation narrative




ETA: And have you read the list in this post?



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I am so pleased to see your concern to defend Christian apologists... from my egregious slander of them.... thanks for that... they need all the defenders they can get the poor oppressed nice guys.:eye-poppi:boggled::eek:


You're claiming "Christian apologists are Christians" is defending Christian apologists.

Thank you for finally admitting that not being Christian is a heinous scandalous accusation that people need to be defended against! Your sincere support of Christianity is much appreciated by Christians everywhere.
 
Yes I do get to do that because what you are doing is the definition of a strawman fallacy... do you know what strawmanning means... do you know what quoting means?
The definition of a strawman fallacy isn't, "not an exact quote".

Please point out specifically what parts of my summary misrepresent you're position.

"The OP assures us that Christians keep telling us that they reject the concept of infinity."

Which part did you not actually claim? And don't complain that I used different syntax than you, show me fundamentally how your statement differs from my summary.



Have you ever heard of Muslims or Jewish apologists or any other theistic casuists??
Yes, and I've also heard of Christians. Remember your first sentence stated that "Christian and other apologists and casuists keep telling us that infinity is a nonsense concept that is not in reality". That "and" is a problem for you. It means that you can't just brush them aside and say, "well, Christians don't count because I want to talk about other religions now". You included Christians, so you have to deal with them as well.

Do you know what is an apologist or a casuist?
Yes, and I didn't even need to use a thesaurus.

You're just doing what I said you would: "If you dig deep enough you can probably find a handful of Christians who hold personal interpretations that involve some apologetics regarding the concept of infinity, but most Christians believe that God is infinite, that his power is infinite, that his knowledge is infinite, and that his creation is infinite."

Change "Christian" to any other religion and you have the same thing - some obscure sophistries that aren't representative of the majority, and certainly nothing that they "keep telling us".
 
That whooshing sound is the point flying over your head.


Fortunately Norman, what is flying and whooshing over YOUR head is the fact that all this CONCERN you have for defending Christian apologists by attacking my person is all I need to satisfactorily and definitively say ... QED!!!

Thanks so much for that clear confirmation of my QED!!!
 
You're claiming "Christian apologists are Christians" is defending Christian apologists.


Whaaat??? :eye-poppi:confused:


Thank you for finally admitting that not being Christian is a heinous scandalous accusation that people need to be defended against! Your sincere support of Christianity is much appreciated by Christians everywhere.


I am glad you feel qualified and concerned to speak on behalf of christians everywhere... and to defend Christian apologists... QED!!!
 
Fortunately Norman, what is flying and whooshing over YOUR head is the fact that all this CONCERN you have for defending Christian apologists by attacking my person is all I need to satisfactorily and definitively say ... QED!!!

Thanks so much for that clear confirmation of my QED!!!
Ah ha! I see the problem. You seem to think anyone having a little fun with you rather than arguing with the fantasy outrage you are railing against is somehow supporting that fantasy outrage. You DO know this war is all happening inside your head...right?

To be clear: I would not know a Christian apologist or indeed any other religious apologist if I tripped over one. I don't mix with such people, and I'm not one myself. I would not give a rat's arse what they think or say. I would not bother to defend any of them, except perhaps against a ravenous badger or something. So you have got the wrong person if you think you have found someone supporting the fantasies you carry about in your skull that seem to bedevil you. So you can give up with those sorts of accusations. Are we quite clear?
 

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