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Infant circumcision

I'm circumsised, and don't really care, but there's no reason for anyone to circumsize their baby (other than AIDS protection, which is kind of interesting)
and i can't spell, haha
 
When my younger son was having some medical problems, I had the opportunity to chat with his pediatric urologist while we were waiting for some test results. He told me that circumcision on infants had definitely fallen off over the past couple of decades, but he believed the overall rate had only dropped a little bit: Parents were bringing their kids in at ages up to 6 years at a much higher frequency than when he started his practice. He bemoaned that he hadn't been keeping good statistics from the beginning.

After he'd noticed the change, however, he did start keeping stats. The most significant thing he'd found was that class (clarified to location) seemed to be the biggest determining factor. Boys from middle class and upper-middle class neighborhoods were circumcised, either as infants or as young children, at something like 90%. Boys from lower-class neighborhoods were only 40%, with one significant exception: black infants were circumcised at almost the same rate (the 90% rate) regardless of location. Since he practices in the DFW area, this more or less meant that Hispanics were the ones with the lower rates.

I asked him if he would consider putting checkboxes on his form regarding the reason parents sought circumcision:

[ ] Medical
[ ] Religious
[ ] Cultural
[ ] Asthetics

He said he'd think about it, but was afraid he'd run afoul of professional ethics standards if he did so. I wanted him to explain that, but about then the tests came back, and our chance to talk was over. (My son was fine, by the way.)
 
I've been curious about what these forums have said on the subject. I think my curiosity has faded by reading these replies. I'm interested in info, not fighting. My son is intact. I'm one of those "intactivists". I hate knowing when circ'ing parents are expecting another boy. My hubs thinks I'm a bit of a nut (he's circ'd).
 
I am circumcised, but I did not get my son circumcised because I saw no reason to do so.
 
I googleyed for statistics that 2% of us modern and civilized Scandinavian men are circumcized, while as many as 90% of American men are circumcized. Circcing is legal here in Finland, but you will have a hard time finding a doctor who agrees to do that to your kid, the national doctors association refuses to "remove healthy tissue for no reason".
 
It's almost as if doctors in Finland are respecting that "first, do no harm" thing!
 
I have read that the current rate of circ'ing in the US is now around 36%. It's just that the regional rates vary widely. I live in the Midwest and the rate is high, in the 80's. My doctor has quipped that circ'ing is the most profitable part of birthing. Some insurance companies are now not covering it.
 
I have read that the current rate of circ'ing in the US is now around 36%.

I think this was in the NY Times recently.

Kind of makes the "I don't want him to look different from everyone else" argument less viable.
 
I've had two circumcisions around 3-4 years of age. Severe phimosis.


I can't say I feel bad about it, but I see no other reason to circumcise someone.
 
I've had two circumcisions around 3-4 years of age. Severe phimosis.


I can't say I feel bad about it, but I see no other reason to circumcise someone.

Did you have trouble passing urine? From what I have read (and I'll admit it is from anti-circ literature), phimosis is a diagnosis that should be reserved for teenagers. It's not uncommon for a "tight" foreskin to resolve itself during puberty when the hormones and masturbation loosen the foreskin to allow for retraction.
 
Did you have trouble passing urine? From what I have read (and I'll admit it is from anti-circ literature), phimosis is a diagnosis that should be reserved for teenagers. It's not uncommon for a "tight" foreskin to resolve itself during puberty when the hormones and masturbation loosen the foreskin to allow for retraction.

Yes, peeing took me ten minutes. My foreskin blew up like a balloon.
 
Thank you O. It suddenly dawned on me that both major religions (islam, judaism) that mutilate male genitalia, originated in a desert region. Maybe it is evolution in action: a culture that practises a tradition that causes less water to be "wasted" on hygiene, might have an advantage on others.

ETA: so we should regard c'sion as a vestigial tradition. It should gradually get weeded out.

I doubt it - the evidence is that "hygiene" as we understand it today is a very recent development.

Same here.

Circumcision - the medical procedure in constant search for a reason to do it.

That's my conclusion from participation in these threads.
 
I've commented before that if we worry about little boys not washing, we should cut off their ears. The hygiene argument is silly. I do wonder how many parents are actually scared to wash young childrens' genitalia, for fear of being thought to be perverts? As for the desert sand hypothesis, I've spent many years in deserts and never got sand behind my foreskin yet. Nor have I heard any of my co-workers mention such a problem. I'd think it far more probable on a beach, yet both sexes seem determined to wear their skimpiest clothing on beaches. To me it seems a non-argument;- Circumcision is a local custom quite unjustifiable on any grounds except in cases like TubbaBubba mentions, where there is an evidence base for surgery. Failing that, cutting bits off children is assault. Once they are sixteen, or eighteen, or whatever local law defines as "adult", they can trim their pubes with a chainsaw if they so choose.
 
I googleyed for statistics that 2% of us modern and civilized Scandinavian men are circumcized, while as many as 90% of American men are circumcized. Circcing is legal here in Finland, but you will have a hard time finding a doctor who agrees to do that to your kid, the national doctors association refuses to "remove healthy tissue for no reason".


Same as in New Zealand. If it is done, it's if there is a reason that has developed that means it's indicated. It's an unnecessary surgical procedure when done on babies. If you used the same logic, they should whip in there and take out the tonsils and appendix, they can potentially cause problems too.

This is an anecdote, but what heard happened was that it used to be fairly common to do it here as in other countries but in at least one of our local hospitals what happened was that the nurses started refusing to hold the babies down for the circumcision and made the parents do it instead. Apparently the rate dropped remarkably quickly after that.
 

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