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Infant circumcision

JLord

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What are your thoughts on cirumcision of infants?

Most people seem to agree that femaly circumcision/gential mutilation is a bad practice, but many are still fine with male circumcision of infants. I suppose it might not be as horrific with males, but the reasons for it are more or less the same. Although many sites I have seen claim that infant circumcision of males produces some benefits, I think most people who decide to circumcise their babies do so because of tradition or religious reasons, not because of any supposed health benefits.

I am sure that few people on these forums would support a practice that mutilates an infant's genitals for no reason other than tradition or religion, so I also looked into the health benefits. I found this site: LINK, is called "Circumcision: A lifetime of medical benfits." It seems to have a pretty extensive list of benefits and links to the supporting evidence from various stages of life. I went over all of the benefits there and a lot of the evidence.

I will let other look at the site for themselves but some of the things that kept coming up are not very convincing. For example prevention of foreskin infections was one that kept coming up. I guess if you cut any prat of the body off it won't get infected. Also it can apparently reduce the likelihood of urinary tract infections, but circumcision seems like a drastic measure for such a minor problem.

Another one was women's sexual preference for circumcision. This one seemed interesting so I looked into the evidence which consisted of surveys, presumably from the USA. Women were asked what they prefer and why. Around 70% preferred circumcized men. I found it very strange that of these women 77% gave the reason "seems more natural" as one of the reasons why.

Another one that often comes up is that it can help reduce the spread of AIDS in Africa. I would say that helping to mitigate the impacts of a major epidemic would be justification for the practice in those areas if this claim is true. I'm not really sure why circumcision would prevent spread of AIDS so I am somewhat skeptical of this claim.

In the end I'm not really convinced there is a good reason in a modern industrialized country to have infants subjected to this procedure. Ther are also some negative effects of circumcision that are detailed on sites like these: LINK LINK.

So for those who know the effects (I'm sure there are some doctors here) or for those willing to look into the issue and form an opinion, I would be interested in knowing what you think about infant circumcision in modern industrialized nations. Should it be encouraged, discouraged, allowed, prohibited? Or leave it the way it is?
 
You may want to search for prior threads on this topic. The topic has been pretty thoroughly discussed.

Linda
 
I would use the term "ad nauseum". Please, no mas!:mad:

Ok, I'll use the search function (?) because I don't recall seeing the topic before.

I chose to not have my son's circumcised, so it would be interesting to see what other people here thought about it.

Julia
 
Just to help you I gave this thread a tag. It only has four threads from this year and no threads from last year. Can anyone find me heaps of threads where this topic was discussed please? If so I will tag them.
 
I initially did a search for circumcision and it came with maybe about 8-10 threads, none of which had anything about circumcision in the thread title. So it could be that the topic ended up being discussed in a thread that originally was about something else, because I didn't look through the threads that came up in the search. Or it could be that the search only searched this forum and the topic was discussed in another forum. So for those who are extremely concerned about duplication topics, please point out a few of the threads you are talking about as I would like to read what people's views were.
 
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145898
This thread has not been tagged yet.

It's not that there are heaps of discussions, but that a couple of discussions got really huge. I would recommend this one, it's pretty thorough. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49943

I refuse to participate in these discussions anymore. Too much irrationality. Sorry that you had to find out the hard way how tired people are of this topic. You'll see why when you read those threads.
 
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All I want to add to this is that my wife and I had our infant circumcised 2 days ago. I have no religious reason for this, but I think there are some other benefits (mostly health-related) which aided in our decision. See the other threads mentioned here for a very thorough discussion of circumcision.
 
Thanks to those who supplied the links to prior discussions. Collectivelly over 80 pages worth. No wonder some people feel 'done' with the topic.

I doubt that I will go back and do much reading because even at first glance I can tell the arguements back and forth are repeticous. And my decision was made some years ago, and with my now-adult sons thanking me for it, I know I made the correct one.

Julia
 
You know, the conclusion I came to is, we can cite this study or that, and basically rationalize our decision, but what it really comes down to is whether you think it's normal or not. If you think it's normal, you circumcise; if not, you don't. And there's no way to argue that.
 
You know, the conclusion I came to is, we can cite this study or that, and basically rationalize our decision, but what it really comes down to is whether you think it's normal or not. If you think it's normal, you circumcise; if not, you don't. And there's no way to argue that.

I think that's exactly it.

Linda
 
Not being a doctor or such...
But to be honest, some of these benefits are being repeated 4 times (check if you like). And another thing which set my skeptic alarm on full blown speed, red lights and a huge mind-blowing noise was the claim of "prevention for HIV/AIDS".
Did it occur to the readers and writers that it doesn't make a darned difference of having a piece of skin removed from your dick to prevent AIDS? (Talking from a male point of view).

Further thinking lead me to conclude that the so-called disadvantages can actually be evaded if you are hygienic.

I call woo.
 
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Did it occur to the readers and writers that it doesn't make a darned difference of having a piece of skin removed from your dick to prevent AIDS?

Apparently, studies have shown something like a 10%-15% reduction in transmission. Of course, this is countered by people who think that getting circumcised means they don't have to use condoms anymore....

I don't see the point in male circumcision.
 
Apparently, studies have shown something like a 10%-15% reduction in transmission. Of course, this is countered by people who think that getting circumcised means they don't have to use condoms anymore....

I don't see the point in male circumcision.
Any idea of the "why" in reduction of transmission?
 
What is meant is, "I'll rely on the advice of goat herders who couldn't bathe, from 2,000 years ago."

Thank you O. It suddenly dawned on me that both major religions (islam, judaism) that mutilate male genitalia, originated in a desert region. Maybe it is evolution in action: a culture that practises a tradition that causes less water to be "wasted" on hygiene, might have an advantage on others.

ETA: so we should regard c'sion as a vestigial tradition. It should gradually get weeded out.
 
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