I'm a bad Buddhist

[Pahansiri]

Greetings Ryokan.

I understand what you are saying and feel. Please know no one can make you angry nor happy or sad. Only you have the power to allow this, the reaction is all yours.

Show all beings the same loving kindness, respect and compassion you seek for yourself. We can not know the suffering in their lives that has lead them to be unkind and rude.

Ask them if they can give you the same respect they seek. If that does not work just wish them to be well and happy.

One last thing you can do is simply ask them if they have a Bible with them.

Ask them to open to In Mark 16: 15-18:

Have them read aloud the following “And He [Jesus] said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents and if they drink ANY deadly poison, it shall not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they [the sick] will recover."


The Signs promised to each and every believer are:
1) They can cast out demons.
2) They can speak new languages they never studied.
3) They can handle with impunity any deadly serpent.
4) They can drink any deadly poison and suffer no harm whatsoever.

5) They can cure the sick by merely laying hands on them.

Bring to them someone who know who has had a stroke or who is paralyzed etc, have them cure them.

Bring to them a glass of drain opener or some other poison.

Tell them if they can cure the person to full health and drink the poison you will be happy to convert to Christianity.


They will leave you alone.

 

[nabiscothejerd]

dear pahansiri,

lacchus is trying to manipulate you into believing what he does and eventually both of us may get him to admit, but isn't it just so much fun to accept facts over what we believe what is right and wrong in a moral sense. If lacchus is not a christian then why is he trying so damn hard to make other's believe that evolution is bull and that creationism makes more sense, you do not have to go to church or believe in a official doctrine to be a christian.

If you're belief is that god is real or even most probable to be real or switch it to jesus or muhammed, you are a jew, a christian, a muslim, or you just created you're own religion.

 

[c4ts]

Hey, 1inC thinks he can do all of that!

 

[Ossai]

Nabiscothejerd

Two, wasn't it copernicus that got into a lot of trouble for proposing evidence that the earth was round because of the evidence he saw in the sky ( i think it was copernicus).

No, Copernicus got in trouble because he saw Saturn and 4 of it’s moons orbiting it. Which went against what the church was teaching at that time – that the earth was the center of the universe and everything revolved around it and specifically around Israel. Check out some of the maps from that time, rather interesting.

They could not have known that the earth was round because for one they all believed in the bible which indicates that the earth has four corners in the book of relevations (i don't remember which verse).

There are a number of places in the bible that reference a flat earth, not just Revelations.

What the Church taught, what learned individuals knew, and what the layman believed were usually quiet different.

Ossai

 

[nabiscothejerd]

Nabiscothejerd
No, Copernicus got in trouble because he saw Saturn and 4 of it’s moons orbiting it. Which went against what the church was teaching at that time – that the earth was the center of the universe and everything revolved around it and specifically around Israel. Check out some of the maps from that time, rather interesting.


There are a number of places in the bible that reference a flat earth, not just Revelations.

What the Church taught, what learned individuals knew, and what the layman believed were usually quiet different.

Ossai

Okay so that's what he did. I remember seeing it on the history channel but my memory was fuzzy.

Can you name the verses where they are ( I believe you so far but i want to know)

But still I have a question for you - So does that mean that most people still believed that the earth was flat?

 

[nabiscothejerd]

Check out some of the maps from that time, rather interesting.

Do you have links or some websites please

 

[Pahansiri]

dear pahansiri,

lacchus is trying to manipulate you into believing what he does and eventually both of us may get him to admit, but isn't it just so much fun to accept facts over what we believe what is right and wrong in a moral sense. If lacchus is not a christian then why is he trying so damn hard to make other's believe that evolution is bull and that creationism makes more sense, you do not have to go to church or believe in a official doctrine to be a christian.

If you're belief is that god is real or even most probable to be real or switch it to jesus or muhammed, you are a jew, a christian, a muslim, or you just created you're own religion.

Greetings nabiscothejerd

lacchus is trying to manipulate you into believing what he does and eventually both of us may get him to admit, but isn't it just so much fun to accept facts over what we believe what is right and wrong in a moral sense.

lacchus is a good guy I respect him and what he wishes to believe. Yes he wishes to have people believe what he does and that is fine he has no power to make anyone believe, feel, think anything etc. He becomes emotional with several people here as we will not simply believe what he wishes us to. We challenge his beliefs and ask questions and for proof and he has told me to do that is disrespectful to him. Such a statement speaks for itself.

He believes that several people here are “stalking him” that would translate to we challenge him, ask for facts and proof again it speaks for itself.

I respect him and all here.

 

[Dr Adequate]

They could not have known that the earth was round because for one they all believed in the bible which indicates that the earth has four corners in the book of relevations (i don't remember which verse).

No, this is a myth. They knew that the Earth was round.

Two, wasn't it copernicus that got into a lot of trouble for proposing evidence that the earth was round because of the evidence he saw in the sky ( i think it was copernicus).

No. In the first place you're confusing Copernicus with Galileo, and in the second place, they were advocating the idea that the Earth moves. The fact that it was round was completely accepted by the Church.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Nabiscothejerd
No, Copernicus got in trouble because he saw Saturn and 4 of it’s moons orbiting it.

And you have confused Copernicus with Galileo and Saturn with Jupiter and the Sidereal Messenger with the Dialogue On The Two World Systems.

Now go and flagellate yourself with the Big Whip Of Truth until you're sorry.

 

[nabiscothejerd]

No, this is a myth. They knew that the Earth was round. No. In the first place you're confusing Copernicus with Galileo, and in the second place, they were advocating the idea that the Earth moves. The fact that it was round was completely accepted by the Church.

If the early church knew that the earth was round then where is the proof. Remember how could they know that the earth was round they couldn't step into the sky and figure it out(Even columbus had trouble finding a passage to india because nobody believed that they could go from their position in europe to the west to reach india because they thought that he would fall off the corner of the earth, this is what my history book taught me and until you can prove to me your statement i have to believe the cause that has given me with some evidence). All i hear is you saying words instead of backing it up with facts. Where are the links to direct me to something with facts or even a book that I earlier asked what was the name and you still haven't given it to me. You can change my mind just offer proof.

I am wrong on the copernicus and galileo but I also said

Two, wasn't it copernicus that got into a lot of trouble for proposing evidence that the earth was round because of the evidence he saw in the sky ( i think it was copernicus).

I just forgot a question mark.

Sorry on the second one about copernicus

Dr.Adequate please stop spitting words out on the screen till you can prove it

 

[nabiscothejerd]

Greetings nabiscothejerd



lacchus is a good guy I respect him and what he wishes to believe. Yes he wishes to have people believe what he does and that is fine he has no power to make anyone believe, feel, think anything etc. He becomes emotional with several people here as we will not simply believe what he wishes us to. We challenge his beliefs and ask questions and for proof and he has told me to do that is disrespectful to him. Such a statement speaks for itself.

He believes that several people here are “stalking him” that would translate to we challenge him, ask for facts and proof again it speaks for itself.

I respect him and all here.

I do not give respect to people who cannot back their idea's up and who still insist that it's their way or the highway (corny I know, but it fits the situation), so i have to strongly disagree with you there. I am a atheist who believes strongly in evolution so I do have anger towards this person but i do respect you keep on posting till you're finger's hurt if you can for I like most of what you say.

sorry that I didn't respond earlier but Dr.Adequate is trying to throw a belief down my throat (just a metaphor) that he has yet to truly backup.

 

[Dr Adequate]

If the early church knew that the earth was round then where is the proof. Remember how could they know that the earth was round they couldn't step into the sky and figure it out

You really don't know how they knew the Earth was round? This was known to the ancient Greeks.

(Even columbus had trouble finding a passage to india because nobody believed that they could go from their position in europe to the west to reach india because they thought that he would fall off the corner of the earth, this is what my history book taught me and until you can prove to me your statement i have to believe the cause that has given me some evidence). All i hear is you saying words instead of backing it up with facts.

As I have told you, the myth originated in a story by Washington Irving. The myth in your history book was ... just a myth. This is where it comes from.

Where are the links to direct me to something with facts or even a book that I earlier asked what was the name and you still haven't given it to me.[/B]

You earlier asked "what was the name?" In the first place, I can't find any post like that, and in the second place, the name of what?

Dr.Adequate please stop spitting words out on the screen till you can prove it

I have been very polite to you, so you start into the hysterics about "spitting words onto the screen". Lovely. Try to develop a little self-awareness, do.

 

[Dr Adequate]

The Myth Of The Flat Earth

 

[nabiscothejerd]

okay first off i just read The Myth of The Flat Earth and you may have just changed my ideaology (Thank you for questioning me).

You really don't know how they knew the Earth was round? This was known to the ancient Greeks.

What does this prove. It just proves that the ancient greeks knew that the earth was round because of science I know that I was referring to the middle ages not the 400's B.C or that era.

You earlier asked "what was the name?" In the first place, I can't find any post like that, and in the second place, the name of what?

I can't either and i had forgotten to ask,Washington Irving's book about columbus and the flat earth theory, but you answered that with your next direct post (thank you)

I have been very polite to you, so you start into the hysterics about "spitting words onto the screen". Lovely. Try to develop a little self-awareness, do.

As I have to been polite to you (rememebr the word please that I used). What hysterics you just threw that word in there. I do have self awareness as I have officially just changed my position to neutral between our main argument of

They could not have known that the earth was round because for one they all believed in the bible which indicates that the earth has four corners in the book of relevations (i don't remember which verse).

And last but not least the educated people knew that the earth was round but what about the illiterate people?(I remembered the question mark)

Your thoughts

 

[nabiscothejerd]

sorry that I didn't respond earlier but Dr.Adequate is trying to throw a belief down my throat (just a metaphor) that he has yet to truly backup.

This statement by me is now retratcted since he backed it up(finally).

http://id-www.ucsb.edu/fscf/library/RUSSELL/FlatEarth.html

everybody who believed the same as me should go this website now

Thank you Dr.Adequate

My position is now leaning more towards your theory since I read even the whole website

 

[Dr Adequate]

Thanks for the half-hearted retraction.

As for "backed it up(finally)" I gave enough information in my first post for you to Google on it if you wanted further details.

Could I point out --- tactfully --- that when you posted about flat-Earthers in the middle ages, without any supporting links or evidence --- and were just plain wrong --- no-one complained that you were "forcing your beliefs down their throats". Nor did they say that you were "spitting at the screen". The use of these phrases is what I mean by "hysteria". We let people play as rough as they like on these forums, but if you go over the top like that at the most trivial factual correction, you're not going to look good.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Thanks for the half-hearted retraction.

As for "backed it up(finally)" I gave enough information in my first post for you to Google on it if you wanted further details.

Could I point out --- tactfully --- that when you posted about flat-Earthers in the middle ages, without any supporting links or evidence --- and were just plain wrong --- no-one complained that you were "forcing your beliefs down their throats". Nor did they say that you were "spitting at the screen". No-one complained that you were "spitting rhetoric" (as you complained about me, but didn't point out where). The use of these phrases is what I mean by "hysteria". We let people play as rough as they like on these forums, but if you go over the top like that at the most trivial factual correction, you're not going to look good.

Above all, you posted: "you don't know what you're wrinting about but just trying to say something to feel important". I never felt the need to say any such thing to you even though I knew that I was right and you were wrong.

I can't either and i had forgotten to ask,Washington Irving's book about columbus and the flat earth theory, but you answered that with your next direct post (thank you)

I told you that in the very first post I made on this thread. Let me quote it.

Europeans in the middle ages knew perfectly well that the world was round. The myth that they thought it was flat originates in a short story about Christopher Columbus by the American author Washington Irving.

So you were complaining that I hadn't answered a question which:

(a) You say you had "forgotten to ask".
(b) I had answered in my first post.

 

[Jekyll]

Anger is a useless emotion, one that clouds thinking.

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."---Buddha

There is a huge difference between feeling anger and bearing a grudge. Your quote appears to refer to the later.

 

[Jekyll]

Another thing that gives me these sinister feelings, are unethical conversions. For those that don't know, the term unethical conversion refers to some of the methods the Christian missionaries use in third world countries, like exchanging food and medicine for conversion. No accepting Jesus, no food.

I've always been impressed by the parliament of Iceland's response to forceful conversion by christians. Faced with the choice of being put to the sword or embracing christianity they allowed the building of churches and passed a law stating that pagen rituals must be carried out in private.

 

[Pahansiri]

There is a huge difference between feeling anger and bearing a grudge. Your quote appears to refer to the later.

Anger will arise in "all" seeing it for what it is and letting it pass is key ( I believe).

I know people will say anger will be agood driving force to getting something done. I believe logic an d aclear mind is a better driving force.

Just what I believe.