i'd like this debunked

[firecoins]

the video was altered to give ctists a chance to come up witha conspiract theory.

Cmon! Is this video all you got? Minetta's testimony is not point to conspiracy. Larry Silverstein's comment is no confession. The towers did not fall into their own footprint. Tower 7 was severly damaged by falling debris as were many other near by buildings. The towers did not fall at the speed of gravity but did not fall in slow motions either. What else you got?

 

[28th Kingdom]

The only question I really have is why the FBI confiscated all the surveillance cameras in the area around the Pentagon? It's weird you know...kind of reminds me of when the FBI went around and stole all the surveillance cameras around the Oklahoma City bombing...

It's weird you know...they didn't steal any cameras or security cameras around the Twin Towers...

You know...it's weird...I don't know...weird is a good word though...

Let's see here...I'm thinking of a word...can you guess what it is?

Yup...it's weird. Hey, how did you know that...are you like psychic or something?

 

[firecoins]

The only question I really have is why the FBI confiscated all the surveillance cameras in the area around the Pentagon? It's weird you know...kind of reminds me of when the FBI went around and stole all the surveillance cameras around the Oklahoma City bombing...

It's weird you know...they didn't steal any cameras or security cameras around the Twin Towers...

You know...it's weird...I don't know...weird is a good word though...

Let's see here...I'm thinking of a word...can you guess what it is?

Yup...it's weird. Hey, how did you know that...are you like psychic or something?

It isn't weird! The FBI does that on ALL investigations! They didn't need to do that with the WTC attack because it was clearly videotaped by the Media who gave the FBI copies of the plane crashes. So did the 2 French brothers. The media aired all of their videotapes live so we were not waiting for the FBI to release NYC footage.

 

[babazaroni]

It's weird you know...they didn't steal any cameras or security cameras around the Twin Towers...

How do you know this? And by steal, do you mean confiscate for evidence?

 

[Cylinder]

What's the frame rate of the original video?

 

[28th Kingdom]

It isn't weird! The FBI does that on ALL investigations! They didn't need to do that with the WTC attack because it was clearly videotaped by the Media who gave the FBI copies of the plane crashes. So did the 2 French brothers. The media aired all of their videotapes live so we were not waiting for the FBI to release NYC footage.

So I guess you're still waiting for the FBI to release some footage of the OKC Bombing, right? Hell, I'm still waiting for them to release the surveillance footage from the Pentagon.

Tip: Don't hold your breathe.

Covering up evidence is the first sign of guilt. Or as Ashcroft likes to call it...Protecting National Security.

 

[babazaroni]

So I guess you're still waiting for the FBI to release some footage of the OKC Bombing, right? Hell, I'm still waiting for them to release the surveillance footage from the Pentagon.

Tip: Don't hold your breathe.

Covering up evidence is the first sign of guilt. Or as Ashcroft likes to call it...Protecting National Security.

What evidence do you have that these OKC tapes exist?

Or is it just more "I heard that"?

And there was surveillance footage released from the Pentagon. Or did you miss the footage of the 'object' striking the building.

 

[firecoins]

So I guess you're still waiting for the FBI to release some footage of the OKC Bombing, right? Hell, I'm still waiting for them to release the surveillance footage from the Pentagon.

Tip: Don't hold your breathe.

Covering up evidence is the first sign of guilt. Or as Ashcroft likes to call it...Protecting National Security.

The FBI collected evidence. They did not cover it up. Of course, you have to have some idea of how an investigation works to realize that was what the FBI was doing. I suggest watching CSI and Law and Order more often.

 

[Foolmewunz]

The FBI collected evidence. They did not cover it up. Of course, you have to have some idea of how an investigation works to realize that was waht the FBI was doing. I suggest watching CSI and Law and Order more often.

Hell, I'd suggest watching Blue's Clues more often!

 

[A W Smith]

I noticed in the extended version there were portions of video that had a view of the parking deck in it. Could it be that a segment of parking deck was edited out for continuity and clarity? I don't know , Its Christmas. I will have to make time later to download the video which I couldn't last night for some reason. And examine it in slow motion. The first time I saw it I though I thought the walking guys movements were unusual. At first I though he was walking a wandering dog till I saw him close up in the extended video.

 

[personable]

Elaborate.

please explain the FULL logical implication of saying of the concept "ANY explanation".

or am I not understanding New-Age Hippie Talk?

I think you're not understanding basic English. Occam's Razor applies here. The most reasonable explanation using the least amount of factors.

FWIW, there is absolutely nothing new-age, left wing, or woo about me. To even suggest that has made you look rather foolish.

How can I misrepresent a group I am not part of?

"George Patton is an American.
George Patton is not a Nazi.
George Patton is misrepresenting the Nazis."

I said you are misrepresenting the bounds of the discussion, not that you are attempting to "be a representive of a group or organization". Do I need to be ultra-literal with you?

We've given him our explanations. Bad Video feed. Bad quality. whatever. It's time for him to put forth what he thinks.

It's time for him to take away what people have said and weigh it accordingly. I expect he will find most merit in Chacal's reply, which details irregularities in the tape.

They can be discussed rationally.However, why should we deny everyones freedom of speech, which includes accusing people of being alleged supporters of the All Powerful Reptilian Uberlords video editing techniques?

Because it makes you look like an idiot. Because it makes it look like you "just know" the truth and are only out for a slanging match against those of contrary opinions. True Believers already know what they believe and their tactic is to avoid entering a state of cognitive dissonance by considering contrary evidence (see the other thread where 911 'truthers' are warned not to come here to hear 'lies') purveyed by their opponents. Surely if their theories were so strong, the 'lies' would only make their theories stronger?

Sceptics on the other hand, do not rely on indoctrination or popularity contests, they use reasoned discussion and expression of checkable facts. We all like to have fun now and then, but when I read a forum where the 'sceptics' are baiting the truthers with mention of reptile monsters etc it just dilutes the message, dilutes the discussion and looks like a whole group of idiots shouting at each other, which is worthless.

You said you were not a skeptic - does that mean that IF compelling authentic evidence were to show that 9/11 were an inside job that you would still believe what you do now?

*smells a dirty dirty sock*

Please explain what reasoning backs up this ridiculous accusation. (or is this simply a rote tactic in your debating arsenal that gets trotted out whenever large point caps and red letter don't deter?)

 

[jsfisher]

Covering up evidence is the first sign of guilt. Or as Ashcroft likes to call it...Protecting National Security.

Proof by Innuendo?

 

[uruk]

You could always try the Freedom of Information Act to get the govt. to release the OKC tapes.

 

[28th Kingdom]

Here's a logical debunking.

The clip proves that there is no conspiracy involved, because no conspirator in his right mind would release an obviously-doctored video. How's that?

The perpetrators of a secret conspiracy would either release a video in which the doctoring was perfectly concealed...or they would release nothing at all.

They teach you that in Reptoid 101: Never plant evidence that gives the plot away. It's really basic stuff.

I love how you people...use incompetence as an excuse for why the gov didn't stop 9/11... but if they were involved...of course, they wouldn't be incompetent enough to leave absurd planted evidence like miracle passports, bandannas, confessional tapes & doctored video footage.

Assbackwards logic...per usual.

 

[babazaroni]

I love how you people...use incompetence as an excuse for why the gov didn't stop 9/11... but if they were involved...of course, they wouldn't be incompetent enough to leave absurd planted evidence like miracle passports, bandannas, confessional tapes & doctored video footage.

Assbackwards logic...per usual.

I thought your approach was the big right brained big picture thing, and not to get bogged down in details.

Looks like you've been doing a little left-brained thinking.


Your approach has changed 28K. No big threads anymore. Just hop around now from thread to thread.

 

[Biggie]

the point here is that i dont think anyone can realistically argue for the case of it being untampered. which then leads us to the question of why was it altered. seriously i'd expect more from you guys, are you going to actually look at the video and analysis or just make side remarks that totally sidestep the point of the post.

I think the problem may be the title you give this thread: "i'd like this debunked". What would like debunked? Anyone who watches the video can see there are irregularities so there's no reason to debunk that.

Next we can attempt to explain what caused the video's problems. There seem to be two opposing viewpoints:

1) The video was intentionally altered for some reason
2) The irregularities were the result of circumstance (bad feed, poor quality, etc)

I can't say conclusively which of the above two options is the correct one, but I'm leaning towards number two. You obviously believe choice number one is the correct one, but fail to provide any evidence to support that claim. It's very difficult for someone to debunk your charges of tampering when you don't bother to explain just why you think it was tampered with in the first place.

 

[chacal]

I love how you people...use incompetence as an excuse for why the gov didn't stop 9/11... but if they were involved...of course, they wouldn't be incompetent enough to leave absurd planted evidence like miracle passports, bandannas, confessional tapes & doctored video footage.

Assbackwards logic...per usual.

With regards to miracle passports and bandannas may I ask you to read what for example 911myths has to say about them. It is possible that a light weight objects like a piece of cloth survive a high speed crash.

With regards to assbackwards logic, You say that the 911conspirators faked confessional tapes that are so convincing they fool all the terrorists and their supporters, everybody who has ever met the people doing the confessions, every expert in the world, and everybody in Al Jazeera and so on. yet you think they can't change the time stamp on a surveilance video.


And a happy new year everybody

rolleyes

 

[boloboffin]

I love how you people...use incompetence as an excuse for why the gov didn't stop 9/11... but if they were involved...of course, they wouldn't be incompetent enough to leave absurd planted evidence like miracle passports, bandannas, confessional tapes & doctored video footage.

Assbackwards logic...per usual.

No.

Incompetence is a premise of many 9/11 reality defenders (not all, we're not all partisan Democrats here). However, when discussing your premises, we're able to assume competence and then wonder why competent reptilian overlords could leave such evidence of incompetence behind.

The same things in reality are simply things that happen. Passports survive plane crashes and are found. The bandanna thing survives the Flight 93 crash and is entered into evidence. Confessional tapes are made. Video footage is as it is. It's not evidence of competence or incompetence in reality. It's evidence that time and chance happen to us all.

 

[Horatius]

I love how you people...use incompetence as an excuse for why the gov didn't stop 9/11... but if they were involved...of course, they wouldn't be incompetent enough to leave absurd planted evidence like miracle passports, bandannas, confessional tapes & doctored video footage.

Assbackwards logic...per usual.

And I love how you keep misunderstanding even the most simple of concepts.

Here's a clue: When we talk about the govenment being incompetent, we're talking about the real, live, actual-people-in-actual-offices government. They can screw up, and have screwed up, and did screw up on 9/11.

When we talk about the NWO "government" that you CTists talk about, it's a fantasy government. One so skilled it can plant thousands of pounds of explosives and thermite in multiple buildings, while the buildings are being used, with no one noticing. One so skilled it can destroy 4 buildings in 4 different ways within a few hours of each other, none of which methods had ever been used before. One so skilled it can substitute drone planes (and a missle) for 4 regular planes, and not have anyone on the ground notice. So skilled it can "disappear" everyone from those 4 planes, and leave the families none the wiser. So skilled they can fake the seismic records well enough to fool skilled geologists and geophysicists. So skilled they can fool demolition experts all over the world. And yet, despite all that (and more!), you'd have us believe they're so incompetent, they'd release a video with really obvious splices in it.

So, two completely different things. Equivocation, isn't that the word for it?

 

[apathoid]

I love how you people...use incompetence as an excuse for why the gov didn't stop 9/11... but if they were involved...of course, they wouldn't be incompetent enough to leave absurd planted evidence like miracle passports, bandannas, confessional tapes & doctored video footage.

Assbackwards logic...per usual.

A law enforcement official in Washington said Lidle -- an avid pilot who got his license on Feb. 9 -- was aboard the single-engine aircraft when it plowed into the 30th and 31st floors of the condominium high-rise on Manhattan's Upper East Side. Mayor Michael Bloomberg said both people aboard were killed.

Lidle's passport was found on the street, according to a federal official, speaking to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. It was not immediately clear whether Lidle or his instructor, Tyler Stanger, was at the controls when the plane hit the building. Lidle had told reporters on Sunday that he was planning to get up in the air with Stanger this week to work on instrument training exercises.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2621860

Not so miraculous now, is it? Would you like me to link a photo of plane crash debris that shows unscathed and unburned clothing too??

For someone who is right-brained, you are lacking in the imagination department.