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Nobody with brains and/or talent believes in it any more.
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Let's see what the smart, talented people are proposing then, shall we?
 
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http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_jay_gould.html

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_jay_gould.html

http://www.researchgate.net/profile/David_Jablonski/publications/?pubType=article

http://www.amazon.com/On-Origin-Phyla-James-Valentine/dp/0226845486

http://www.yalescientific.org/2010/10/big-picture-small-details/

Just a small handful of researchers who disagree with your "experts". Of course, mine aren't quote-mined by dishonest people intent on casting doubt where there is none.

Here's a journal for you, icebear:

http://ncse.com/media/cej

Please browse the journal. You will learn a great deal. You have been lied to, pure and simple. If you'd like to know specifics, there are people here who can help. But I doubt you'll get much traction with quote mining--it's an old technique that we're frankly sick of, by and large.
 
icebear said:
Evolution is a dead theory walking. Nobody with brains and/or talent believes in it any more.
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The thing about science is that belief doesn't enter into it, so your statement is not only incorrect, it's meaningless.

ETA: Damn, ninja'd by Sprindrift!
 
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The Humour sub-forum is thataway, Icebear. You'll feel right at home there ---------->
 
icebear said:
Evolution is a dead theory walking. Nobody with brains and/or talent believes in it any more.
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Tell that to people who are successfully using the theory to solve real problems in various fields of biology:

Such as conservation of endangered species: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=27

Agriculture (beyond mere artificial selection breeding): http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=26

Medicine: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=25

Etc.

The ones for species conservation are particularly important, because they emphasize the value of "macro"-evolution: How species are related to each other, not merely how one species changes in small ways over time. It is often the case that we have to infer information about a rare species from other life forms related to it by various degrees.

Many of those agriculture articles talk about the hidden natural effects that emerge from our attempts at artificial selection. Artificial selection is not entirely artificial: Nature ends up controlling important areas of the effort, as well, in ways best understood in terms of evolutionary theory.

The medical examples might be dismissed as largely "micro-evolution". But, you don't see Intelligent Design being applied to any medical research, in any realistic, practical manner. So, people are going to work with what they can work with...

...And The Theory of Evolution WORKS in all of those cases!
 
Wowbagger said:
Tell that to people who are successfully using the theory to solve real problems in various fields of biology:

Such as conservation of endangered species: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=27

Agriculture (beyond mere artificial selection breeding): http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=26

Medicine: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=25

Etc.

The ones for species conservation are particularly important, because they emphasize the value of "macro"-evolution: How species are related to each other, not merely how one species changes in small ways over time. It is often the case that we have to infer information about a rare species from other life forms related to it by various degrees.

Many of those agriculture articles talk about the hidden natural effects that emerge from our attempts at artificial selection. Artificial selection is not entirely artificial: Nature ends up controlling important areas of the effort, as well, in ways best understood in terms of evolutionary theory.

The medical examples might be dismissed as largely "micro-evolution". But, you don't see Intelligent Design being applied to any medical research, in any realistic, practical manner. So, people are going to work with what they can work with...

...And The Theory of Evolution WORKS in all of those cases!
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But Jesus!
 
icebear said:
One version:

http://able2know.org/topic/121664-1

Evolution is a dead theory walking. Nobody with brains and/or talent believes in it any more.
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If you want to rationally discuss evolution, there are several posters waiting for you to reply to issues raised in your previous evolution thread.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266936

If you do not want to rationally discuss evolution, then you should probably not start any more evolution threads.
 
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crhkrebs said:
You mean "What real experts say when they are quoted mined", don't you?
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Basically, every halfway honest person with any brains and talent who has taken any sort of a hard look at evolution in the past 60 years has given up on it and many have denounced it. A listing of fifty or sixty such statements makes for an overwhelming indictment of that part of the scientific community which goes on trying to defend evolution and they (the academic dead wood die hards) have a favorite term ("quote mining") which they use to describe that sort of argument.

My own response to that is to note what I view as the ultimate evolution quote by the noted evolutionist Jeffrey Dahmer:


"If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then—then what’s the point of trying to modify your behaviour to keep it within acceptable ranges? That’s how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we, when we died, you know, that was it, there is nothing…"

Jeffrey Dahmer, in an interview with Stone Phillips, Dateline NBC, Nov. 29, 1994.
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icebear said:
Basically, every halfway honest person with any brains and talent who has taken any sort of a hard look at evolution in the past 60 years has given up on it and many have denounced it. A listing of fifty or sixty such statements makes for an overwhelming indictment of that part of the scientific community which goes on trying to defend evolution and they (the academic dead wood die hards) have a favorite term ("quote mining") which they use to describe that sort of argument.

My own response to that is to note what I view as the ultimate evolution quote by the noted evolutionist Jeffrey Dahmer:
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Ah, so that's it. Evolution is too hard to understand so you denounce it?
 
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