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I will challenge James Randi.

Re: I'm afraid you are making a conspiracy!

杨建东 said:
Another qustion, Is this ture?
‘http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/11/26/offbeat.india.fast/’
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Skeptics dictionary Newsletter 34
Duncan Gill referred us to an article in The Australian about a man in India who claims he hasn't eaten or taken a drink in 68 years, a veritable inediate. Prahlad Jani also claims he hasn't gone to the bathroom in all those years. The story claims that Mr. Jani (whose name means Lying Through My Holy Palate) was put under round-the-clock surveillance at a hospital. Neurologist Sudhir Shah (whose name means I Am Too Smart to Be Fooled) said Jani was under watch for 10 days with a closed-circuit camera running and they didn't see him eat or drink anything or go to the bathroom. The story was sent to The Australian by "correspondents in Ahmedabad, India" Ahmedabad means City of the Credulous and is the commercial capital of the western state of Gujarat (which means Gotcha!). When The Australian was contacted and asked if they had verified their sources' claims, they replied: "No. Why do you ask? It could be true, you know." Skeptics accuse Jani of surreptitiously sucking in prana through his nose ring.
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Maybe he should apply for the JREF challenge. As a sidenote I have survived 10 days with no food more than once, so I'm not really impressed (unless that can get me $1.000.000, of course).

Does that answer your question?

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Gotta go with what's been said before. I believe we're dealing with someone who's delusional.

Links have been provided to the rules of the challenge, and the proper means to apply for it. If our friend from China cannot or will not make the proper application, it is by his decision alone. I have a real problem believing that there are no notaries in China who can sign off on the application, and that there are no respected scientists who can perform the appropriate tests of this "ability."
 
When the ability is 'other people can perceive my thoughts', how can you test it? You are bound to tell them that whatever they guess you are thinking is correct.
 
Dubium said:
When the ability is 'other people can perceive my thoughts', how can you test it? You are bound to tell them that whatever they guess you are thinking is correct.
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Well surely you just write down what you were thinking and get the other person to do the same.
Then compare.

I don't see why that would be hard to test.
 
Ashles said:
Well surely you just write down what you were thinking and get the other person to do the same.
Then compare.

I don't see why that would be hard to test.
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Dammit, Ashles, you wrote down what I was thinking... oops. :D
 
Why?

The Central Scrutinizer said:
Hey 杨,

I promised to help you, but I have heard nothing from you. Please respond. And send me money.

Thanks!
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Why you let me "And send me money."?I never promised to send you money.You are a cheater!
 
Re: Why?

杨建东 said:
Why you let me "And send me money."?I never promised to send you money.You are a cheater!
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杨建东, it is called "pulling your leg". You are attracting jokes because you keep claiming this fantastic ability, but you fail to apply for the challenge.

Try asking a sensible question, like: "How could I make a serious test of this myself?"

Hans
 
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MRC_Hans said:
杨建东, it is called "pulling your leg". You are attracting jokes because you keep claiming this fantastic ability, but you fail to apply for the challenge.

Try asking a sensible question, like: "How could I make a serious test of this myself?"

Hans
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In china to public anybody who has mysterious ability is very hard now for all news are controlled by a few person , I'm sure somebody in this forum know the exact reason. IN fact, Millions of people have heard of my abiltiy in china, and thousands of people had ever percieved my thoughts, and nearly every time my neighbors could percieve my thoughts while they near by me. Who dare meet me and let me prove my ability to him and then challenge randi?
 
You have already published. Here. It does not matter what your neighboors think. What matters is test results.

You have said your self that you will challenge James Randi, so what are you waiting for?

Political problems keep you from doing it? That is just too bad.

Hans
 
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杨建东 said:
In china to public anybody who has mysterious ability is very hard now for all news are controlled by a few person , I'm sure somebody in this forum know the exact reason. IN fact, Millions of people have heard of my abiltiy in china, and thousands of people had ever percieved my thoughts, and nearly every time my neighbors could percieve my thoughts while they near by me. Who dare meet me and let me prove my ability to him and then challenge randi?
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First you must apply for the challenge before anyone will meet with you.
 
With a thread titled "I will challenge James Randi" I truly expected a properly filled and notarized application at most by the end of page one. I'm starting to think there will be no challenge, just hot air for about 6 or 7 pages.
 
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杨建东 said:
In china to public anybody who has mysterious ability is very hard now for all news are controlled by a few person , I'm sure somebody in this forum know the exact reason. IN fact, Millions of people have heard of my abiltiy in china, and thousands of people had ever percieved my thoughts, and nearly every time my neighbors could percieve my thoughts while they near by me. Who dare meet me and let me prove my ability to him and then challenge randi?
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No one here is an official of the JREF, if you wish to “challenge Randi” as you put it read the FAQ and send your application to the JREF.

There is no other way for you to "challenge Randi".
 
It sounds like the guy says he can broadcast his thoughts on normal wavelengths that alot of people can "see" in their mind. Even if this was true, how can it be proven? He can always claim that whoever was guessing that it was right. By his claim that not everyone can see it, he is further saying theres no real proof. Even in a closed session where he writes down what his thoughts are separately, he can just claim the people in the test were not on his wavelength etc.

I find this so called "Special" talent a little bit phoney mostly because from what I have experienced with the true psychic "telepathy" Distance was never an issue.

Whatever his claims its going to be hard to reproduce in a laboratory enviornment since most psychic ability follow some kind of physical law we haven't discovered yet and at best has only a 80% accuracy.
 
MoonDragn said:

I find this so called "Special" talent a little bit phoney mostly because from what I have experienced with the true psychic "telepathy" Distance was never an issue.

Whatever his claims its going to be hard to reproduce in a laboratory enviornment since most psychic ability follow some kind of physical law we haven't discovered yet and at best has only a 80% accuracy.
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Welcome to the forum MoonDragn.

I'd love to hear your experiences with true psychic "telepathy".

I'd also be interested in any studies showing any psychic abilities that are 80% accurate (or any percentage of accuracy, actually).

Personally, I think we need to show that psychic abilities even exist before we worry about looking for a new "physical law" that explains it.
 
MoonDragn said:


Whatever his claims its going to be hard to reproduce in a laboratory enviornment since most psychic ability follow some kind of physical law we haven't discovered yet and at best has only a 80% accuracy.
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Alternatively, it's going to be hard to reproduce his claims, whatever they are, since psychic phenomena don't actually exist at all, and at best has only the accuracy you would expect from random chance, as cherry-picked by people who don't understand statistics, experimental design, or the scientific method.

There are lots of explanations for the observed (lack of ) findings. Do you have any reason or evidence why I should prefer your explanation to the one I just gave?
 
MoonDragn said:
Whatever his claims its going to be hard to reproduce in a laboratory enviornment since most psychic ability follow some kind of physical law we haven't discovered yet and at best has only a 80% accuracy.
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That's odd because guessing can, at best, have 100% accuracy.

If you are talking about repeated trials then I have no more idea where you get your 80% figure than you do the figure of 67% you mentioned in the other thread.
Having been in the psychic field for a while now observing other psychics and checking accuracy, I would say most psychics are somewhere around 67% accurate.
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Mr. Skinny said:
Welcome to the forum MoonDragn.

I'd love to hear your experiences with true psychic "telepathy".

I'd also be interested in any studies showing any psychic abilities that are 80% accurate (or any percentage of accuracy, actually).

Personally, I think we need to show that psychic abilities even exist before we worry about looking for a new "physical law" that explains it.
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that 80% number is what someone has told me, they probably made it up, who knows. The 67% number is my observation. 2/3 accurate for the GOOD psychics that I have met. That has no scientific basis as no psychic I've ever met wants to do a test in a controlled enviornment.

That leaves myself. I can sometimes coincidentally guess what somebody is thinking. Its one thing to accurately guess a shape or a number but another to actually SEE something from someone's mind. Still, I have no idea how it works. I have observed that it works better when someone who I'm reading has an open mind, a calm mind, and actually believes I can read their mind. It also seems to help when I can make a "connection" to the person. It has worked over the internet, over the phone, by touch etc.

Can I do it in a laboratory? I doubt it. If I could read someone's mind on a moment's notice I'd be living alot better life than I am now. This is why I am doubting anyone who could just reproduce their special ability on the fly.

It often comes unexpectedly, a whispered sound, an image, or a feeling. You can't really measure feelings.
 
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