Ladewig
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Ooooooo, ooooooo, I know, I know. Just look at the Bad Astronomy page. It has links to NASA and everything.
Monketi Ghost
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I remain unconvinced that we ever went to the moon. It could easily have been faked, and the US had enormous motives for faking it. Probably it will be achieved someday though.
PS there's no wind on the moon.
PS there's no wind on the moon.
Agammamon said:
Also, how did they make it "flap" in the wind?
With no wind to resist the flag, the whole flag would turn uniformly, if the astronaut moved the flag, the end of the flag would move immediately with the rest of the flag becuase no air will prevent the flag from moving with the bar... in other words it wouldn't form a wave, it would all move at once.
Unless the flag was deflected downwards and sideways at the same time. I don't know
-INRM
Any wave transmitted through the fabric would not depend on air for that transmission, in fact air would impede it. If you extend a rope along the ground, pick up one end and give it a shake do you think the wave you propogate down the rope depends on air? It doesn't.INRM said:
There is a property of matter called INERTIA that is the resistance to a change in movement.
Just because the flag is in a vacuum doesn't make the flag a rigid object.
Take a look at http://www.clavius.org/envflutter.html
Just because the flag is in a vacuum doesn't make the flag a rigid object.
Take a look at http://www.clavius.org/envflutter.html
Monketi Ghost
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garys_2k said:
You remain unconvinced, even though earth-bound astronomers routinely bounce lasers off the cubical ranging reflectors the Apollo astrounauts left up there? Gee, what WOULD it take to convince you?
Yes, they say that they do this. And it may be that they do. I don't buy that we landed people on the moon, though it could be that rockets got those reflectors where they are.
Something I just though of; if the flag was waving due to wind, wouldn't all of that "moon dust" take off like the flag? It's a lot less massive, it ought to look like a sand storm on Mars for the flag to wave like that.
Alas, that's the common doublethink moon hoax believers exibit. It's much like the case of the supposed oblique shadows which are explained by the Bad Astronomer.
Alas, that's the common doublethink moon hoax believers exibit. It's much like the case of the supposed oblique shadows which are explained by the Bad Astronomer.
rwguinn
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INRM said:
Go out to your garage, workshop, or office. Find a rule/yardstick/meter stick, anything made of wood/plastic/steel, which is about 10 times as long as it is wide, and about 10 times as wide as it is thick. place one end on a table, and hold it down really well-or stick it in a vise. flick the other end, which is hanging off the table/out of the vise. Watch it go boooiiiinnnnggggg many times. Remove all air from the room, so it is in a vaccuum. do it again. you won't hear the boooiiiinnnnggggg, but you can see the end go up and down very fast. That is called free vibration (as opposed to forced vibration), and it will die down after a few cycles, just as the flag on the moon did when they whacked the pole with a hammer/space suit/fist getting it stuck in the ground.
RW
To those who find the whole moon-landing hard to swallow - why don't you learn some basic physics before learning the same, tired old questions?
I place you all in the same basket as the guy who wrote into our local paper stating that 'every year two student knows that we don't fly off the planet because it is spinning'...
Athon
I place you all in the same basket as the guy who wrote into our local paper stating that 'every year two student knows that we don't fly off the planet because it is spinning'...
Athon
BigChicken
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xouper said:
On pages 610-613 of the current Acme catalogue, they have this years models of giant slingshots.
Maybe one of those would help?
OdderMensch
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Culd easily be faked? You think it would be easy to fake something like that? Then what can't they fake? Did we fight in WWII? Do we have atomic weapons? Are they really puting white meat in Mcnuggets now! 
how far does thiss thing go?
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But hey to get some Science discussed, care to desribe the difference between free and forced vibration? I assume your given demonstration was to best simulate the flag (10X as long as wide 10X as wide as thick) and make the effect more noticeable. If you read any of the "how to describe" thread, I was trying to describe the motion of a whip, and relateing that to the motion of a fist, and the subject of 'moveing a vibration' has come up from time to time in the same subject.
how far does thiss thing go?edited to add
But hey to get some Science discussed, care to desribe the difference between free and forced vibration? I assume your given demonstration was to best simulate the flag (10X as long as wide 10X as wide as thick) and make the effect more noticeable. If you read any of the "how to describe" thread, I was trying to describe the motion of a whip, and relateing that to the motion of a fist, and the subject of 'moveing a vibration' has come up from time to time in the same subject.
A troll?
The moon DOES have an atmosphere. Not much of one, but it IS there. When the astronauts hit golf balls, their trajectories were affected by its drag slightly, similar to golf balls on earth. Stars viewed at a low angle from the moon's surface were observed to "twinkle" just slightly, ie. atmospheric interference, like we have on earth. But to all intents and purposes it was considered a vaccuum.
I recall reading somewhere years ago that the rocket gasses and other gas releases performed during lunar expeditions temporarily increased the "density" of the moon's atmosphere to a measureable extent. I wonder if the Bad Astronomer can elucidate on this?
And I think we have a troll - continued restatement of an unlikely and controversial position without attempting to defend or explain it? I'm happy to let him/her keep going but ignore them. Not worth the time to discuss...
Zep
The moon DOES have an atmosphere. Not much of one, but it IS there. When the astronauts hit golf balls, their trajectories were affected by its drag slightly, similar to golf balls on earth. Stars viewed at a low angle from the moon's surface were observed to "twinkle" just slightly, ie. atmospheric interference, like we have on earth. But to all intents and purposes it was considered a vaccuum.
I recall reading somewhere years ago that the rocket gasses and other gas releases performed during lunar expeditions temporarily increased the "density" of the moon's atmosphere to a measureable extent. I wonder if the Bad Astronomer can elucidate on this?
And I think we have a troll - continued restatement of an unlikely and controversial position without attempting to defend or explain it? I'm happy to let him/her keep going but ignore them. Not worth the time to discuss...
Zep
GreyWanderer
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