How we became skeptics

How did you become a skeptic


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For most of my life, I've been sort of "passively skeptical," if you will. After seeing a television program back in the 1970s in which Randi debunked Geller, I was aware there was phony stuff out there, but I never gave it much thought, and when friends or acquaintances subscribed to paranormal beliefs, I generally had a "well, who knows, maybe there's something to it" attitude. Not always, mind you; one friend who was heavily into astrology told me in '96 or '97 that I was really atypical for a Scorpio, and it was all I could do to refrain from pointing out that, since I was not only a Scorpio, but also had Scorpio in the ascendant, I should logically be more typically Scorpio, not less, and that maybe the problem was that, well, astrology is bunk.

But I think getting an internet connection and an e-mail account, followed by the discovery of Snopes, is what really got the ball rolling, because it helped me realize the full extent to which a lot of people will accept without question, repeat, and even cling to, beliefs which are demonstrably false. That got me questioning certain beliefs held by friends which I hadn't bothered to question before, and though I was less than surprised to find those beliefs were wrong, it came as a bit of a shock to find how easy it was to find the evidence that proved them wrong.

That, I think, is what made me what you would call a skeptic.
 
I was a big believer before I became a skeptic. I was fascinated by UFOs, magic, astral projection, ancient advanced civilizations, you name it. Of course I was also a geeky adolescent who was heavily into Science Fiction. I didn't become a skeptic overnight, but gradually grew out of the need for all these "crutch" beliefs. I mean what geeky, outcast, adolescent doesn't want super powers or special knowledge?

Studying real science definately helped the process but I think it was more of a matter of just growing up.


I started asking questions about Santa...and then wondered if he and God might be the same thing... I couldn't figure out how you were supposed to find out the truth when so many people said they had it and they didn't agree with eachother. I was so happy when I didn't have to go to church anymore, that I feel aghast when the people I knew it my teens--become "true believing adults". How could that be? I suspect they weren't tangled up with all the conundrums and just got temporarily distracted by the opposite sex in their youth. I examined these teaching up and down and sought tidbits of meaning in reems of "teachings"--and then finally kicked this crap out of my brain and life for good. I think one of the best things about being an adult is not having to go to church or prayer meetings or channelers with mysterious truths (as if!).
 
Was brought up in a not quite so observant Jewish household. Both parents were big in science and had this amazing tendency to say to me, "I don't know" if they didn't know a natrual answer for some phenomena I was inquiring about. At the same time the parents were still believers (and are to this day). I went through the same inquisitive stage regarding the occult that many others have.

There was one event that stuck out in my mind... Randi. Randi showing a class of teenagers the "if it proves everything it doesn't prove anything" aspect of astrology. Though I think it wasn't until later that I became the true Skeptic that I like to call myself, that piece always stuck with me. Combine that with finding Skeptic magazine, passing interest in Houdini's anticharlatan crusade, mix with some eggs, bake at 350 for 45 minutes or until golden brown...

SKEPTIC!
 
Well, even though this thread has gotten unwieldy to the point where I doubt anyone else is reading it, I think I'll toss in my two cents, mostly because this is a big deal with me. I take skepticism very seriously, but I haven't really told anyone the story of my "conversion", as it were, because it's embarassing how naive I use to be.

I grew up in a highly religious Baptist household. We weren't allowed to celebrate Halloween. I wasn't even allowed to watch He-man or the Smurfs because the church was convinced they were evil. Sometime around there, I was exorcised by my Sunday School teacher. It was in retaliation for my mother and the church elders exorcising her a few weeks earlier, but I was a kid and the politics of the situation were a bit beyond me.

At some point, my parents must've decided the church was ******** and left. The problem was, they still had all this faith and nowhere to ground it. We drifted from church to church, but none of them really gave us what we wanted, so after a while we stopped trying, but we never really stopped believing.

This was all ancient history when I got into high school. Being a teenager, I had all these emotions and frustrations, and all this bound up with a lot of faith and a fear of dying (for some reason), and I fell into the old trap a lot of people here talk about. I had to prove to myself that the supernatural existed, and I started trying my hand at "magic with a K", as my sister calls it.

I got pretty deep into it, and I think a lot of it was my fault alone. I was stupid, and I honestly think laziness had a hand in it, too. No matter how many times I did a ritual and came up with nothing, no matter how many times I believed and found myself thwarted, I still clung onto the old occult trappings simply because it was too much work to change the way I thought.

And it was easier the further I got into it. Most everyone I met believed wacky or wackier things. The internet was rife with the kind of anecdotal evidence that substitutes for real proof, and I ate it all up. If it hadn't been for two people, I think I'd be a close-minded chaos sorceror and full-time woo to this day.

The first was my biology teacher, who started off one of his classes with "I know there's a lot of controversy out there, and I know a lot of people don't want me to teach this, but hell with them" and launched into a long lesson on the theory of evolution. Of course, this highly offended my delicate Christian sensibilities, and I tossed out all the old defenses at him. "What about the second theory of thermodynamics? What about the tendency of things to fall towards disorder? What about the chances of a human being evolving being astronomical?" all of which he swatted away like mayflies, ending it with a kind suggestion that I should read "Dragons of Eden" if I wanted to understand the subject.

The other was my dad, who became a skeptic sometime after leaving the church but kept it mostly to himself. He gave me a copy of "Demon-Haunted World" to read, but I only got through the introduction before deciding that I had devised enough one-liners to end any argument that might come up over it.

None of that really changed me, though, until one night. I had a friend over who was as into woo as I was, and we stayed up all night scaring ourselves silly, faking possessions, that kind of thing. Finally, in a fury of belief and the NEED to validate that belief, I ran out into the night screaming some damned thing.

It woke up my parents. They both came out to see what the holy hell was going on, and the sheer disappointment in my dad's eyes was enough to seal it right there. At that very second, I was converted to a skeptic. It happened just that suddenly.

Of course, it took me a long time to get myself THINKING as a skeptic, and even now at the age of twenty-five, I think there's still more to learn. But I maintain that what keeps most people from living skeptically is LAZINESS, pure and simple. It's a hard thing to train your mind to consider things as they come up. Someone talks about seeing a ghost, or reading minds, or bending spoons...it's easy to just sit back and agree. You don't have to think, and if anyone wants to argue, they're a bunch of close-minded fools. It's much harder to train yourself to ask questions, to probe everything people tell you, to tap away at the story until you uncover whatever truth, if any, it might have. And that kind of transformation happens inside a person. You can show them all the books on skepticism you want, all the proof that what they believe is a misunderstanding at best and a lie at worst, but THEY have to WANT to see it.
 
Why I'm skeptical of fakery

My family was very science-minded. As I got older, I found the most annoying things about pseudoscience were

1. How they make an often random and complex world into a neat little package, topped with a moral lesson ribbon.

2. The sheer idiocy of the ideas, as opposed to the logical flow of ordinary explanations.

3. Occam's Razor.

4. A visceral dislike of con men...all these conspiracy theories and psychics seem to have greed at the core of their operation.
 
The first was my biology teacher, who started off one of his classes with "I know there's a lot of controversy out there, and I know a lot of people don't want me to teach this, but hell with them" and launched into a long lesson on the theory of evolution.. . .

The other was my dad, who became a skeptic sometime after leaving the church but kept it mostly to himself. He gave me a copy of "Demon-Haunted World" to read, but I only got through the introduction before deciding that I had devised enough one-liners to end any argument that might come up over it.

Amen (ha!) and a great story. Praise god...er I mean...your biology teacher...and Carl Sagan...and your very wise dad.
 
The first was my biology teacher, who started off one of his classes with "I know there's a lot of controversy out there, and I know a lot of people don't want me to teach this, but hell with them" and launched into a long lesson on the theory of evolution. Of course, this highly offended my delicate Christian sensibilities, and I tossed out all the old defenses at him. "What about the second theory of thermodynamics? What about the tendency of things to fall towards disorder? What about the chances of a human being evolving being astronomical?" all of which he swatted away like mayflies, ending it with a kind suggestion that I should read "Dragons of Eden" if I wanted to understand the subject.
Sounds like you had a great biology teacher who started you on your way to questioning things. Some times one really good teacher can make a world of difference! Thank invisible sky fairies for good, dedicated teachers!
 
i was raised in the church, i just came to disbelieve what they were telling me. i can't put it down to a single time or event that did it.

as a kid i was obsessed with ghosts, ufo's, aliens, etc. anything unexplained. i think it turned into a proper quest for the truth. i remember that exposure to multiple religious ideas made me think that no single one was likely to be "the one" to the exclusion of the others, despite being presented that way.

also, i have a background in magic that got me to develop a bit of a disdain for those charlatans performing tricks and calling them miracles while duping the less informed woo crowd. it just seems cruel.

so between my loss of respect for religious mythology, my thoughts about charlatans who pass themselves off as having super powers, and the unsatisfying results of looking for the truth surrounding ufo's, ghosts, monsters, etc. it has led to a skeptical approach to life. no other approach has seemed reasonable, logical, or appropriate for my design for living.
 
Is it just me, or are Ex-baptists over-represented among the skeptical community, as compared to apostates from other denominations and religions? Or is it just that ex-baptists are the only ones who bother to differentiate themselves from the rest of Christianity?
 
What converted me from being a gullible I'll-believe-anything-that-sounds-great-if-it's-true Believer into a jaundice-eyed Skeptic?

National Trust Services.

Sometimes you need to get scammed before you'll really start to question your beliefs.
 
Is it just me, or are Ex-baptists over-represented among the skeptical community, as compared to apostates from other denominations and religions? Or is it just that ex-baptists are the only ones who bother to differentiate themselves from the rest of Christianity?

I don't know much about Baptists, but I get the impression that it tends to be a pretty dogmatic church (see Nihilanth's post above). I think that the more dogmatic a church is, and the more restrictions it puts on daily life, the more it leads at least some people to question it. A kid who's told he can't dress up for Hallowe'en or watch the Smurfs or play cards is more likely to question why God cares about such minutiae and how anyone knows that He cares about them. Kids who are raised in more "liberal" faiths, where the message is essentially "be nice to people and chat with your pal Jesus every now and then" don't really have as much cause to think about religion.

Of course, if my theory is right there ought to be a lot of Jewish skeptics and atheists -- it doesn't get much more arbitrary than "you can eat cheese and you can eat meat, but you can't have them on the same plate."
 
Is it just me, or are Ex-baptists over-represented among the skeptical community, as compared to apostates from other denominations and religions? Or is it just that ex-baptists are the only ones who bother to differentiate themselves from the rest of Christianity?

I'd guess the latter. I'm ex-Church of Christ (a supposed non-denominational denomination. Some fundie leanings, but not extreme. You get used to double-speak).

My guess would be that it ties in to Baptists being a pretty popular choice (there are several Baptist denominations), as well as some of thier views on salvation and baptism being a bit different.
 
Is it just me, or are Ex-baptists over-represented among the skeptical community, as compared to apostates from other denominations and religions? Or is it just that ex-baptists are the only ones who bother to differentiate themselves from the rest of Christianity?

It's you. I'm a former Catholic--and I see all the atheist Catholics. My best friend was Mormon growing up--so I am really interested in the ex-Mormons too.
(My friend is still Mormon). I've met a great former Jehovah Witness atheist as well. I suspect that there is no greater percentage of baptist atheists then there are baptists--but it would be interesting to find out the answer. The most vocal atheists are often people who feel that religion abused their trust and caused them considerable angst (that whole "life-is-a-test-for-determining-how- you'll-spend-your-eternity" thing) Religion manipulates by promising things it cannot deliver and threatening punishment it cannot mete out.
 
I became a skeptic at the age of 9. I was in Catholic school, being totally indoctrinated by a bunch of self-righteous nuns, many of whom were functionally illiterate, and was being instructed that during consecration, the communion wafer was physically transformed into the Body of Christ.

I inquired if one put the host under a microscope after consecration, if one would see flesh or bread, and was assured that it actually had changed to flesh. After my first communion was completed, I decided that the Roman Catholic religion was the biggest load of horse hockey I had ever encountered in my life, and a huge money-sucking confidence game, and never looked back.

It's a decision I've never regretted.
 
When I was very young, church was something we attended with my Grandparents on Xmas and Easter - nothing more. I was raised until the age of 8 or 9 in a very skeptical environment - I remember spending Saturday afternoons with my dad watching Nova, followed by Dr. Who (Well - ok - not much skeptical about Dr. Who I s'pose, but daleks were cool in the late 70's - early 80's.)

Then, my parents went through a bankruptcy over a lost business, and they sought refuge in the church. They became over-the-top Anglicans - with major Pentecostal twists - like into faith healing, speaking in tongues, slain in the spirit etc... They indoctrinated me into the church, and I used to play the piano for services when the organist was out, assisted during communion, did confirmation classes etc...

I recall my mother receiving a faith healing and then some weird exorcism ceremony (no kidding!) because of her suffering with manic depression. All this only served to spur her illness forward, because she used these religious 'interventions' as an excuse to go off her medications.

Then, at about 15 I was assigned the book 'Dragons of Eden' by my English teacher for an essay - this following on from an assignment I did on explaining how wacky Mormons were, based on literature provided by my parents. Sagan completely snapped me out of my indoctrination, and reminded me how important it is to examine the world in a critical light. I thank my insightful teacher to this day - I'm sure I would've figured this out later in life, but she saved me years of languishing in the church...

Shortly thereafter, I left the church (I recall I wrote '666' on a small sign celebrating a saint in the church - and somehow got busted for it) and essentially moved out of my parent's house to live with a school friend. My relationship with my parents remained very distant until about the age of 24 when we sort of stitched things up - although I've never been able to have a completely civil conversation with my father - his ultra conservative / religion infused beliefs get my hackles up.

I was vehemently anti-religion and identified as atheist from about the age of 18, and quickly read anything I could get my hands on by Sagan, Dawkins etc...

I actively got involved in the skeptical 'movement' I'd say some 6 years ago when I bought a copy of 'Skeptic' off the newsstand. The rest, as they say, is history...

Losing my mother 6 weeks ago was a rather difficult experience - as I had to temper my beliefs as she spent her last weeks being visited continually by ministers and priests. It was a delicate balance of me keeping her as comfortable as possible, maintaining my distance from the woos and trying to support my father, while avoiding any topics that are liable to set both of us off. As it was, we did square off on the gay marriage chestnut and had a bit of a scene at a family restaurant in small town British Columbia which I'm sure amused the locals no end...

-AH.
 
I became a skeptic at the age of 9. I was in Catholic school, being totally indoctrinated by a bunch of self-righteous nuns, many of whom were functionally illiterate, and was being instructed that during consecration, the communion wafer was physically transformed into the Body of Christ.

I inquired if one put the host under a microscope after consecration, if one would see flesh or bread, and was assured that it actually had changed to flesh. After my first communion was completed, I decided that the Roman Catholic religion was the biggest load of horse hockey I had ever encountered in my life, and a huge money-sucking confidence game, and never looked back.

It's a decision I've never regretted.

I have a similar story--I asked if you could spit out the host and get Jesus' DNA. (It's a sin to spit it out--but it sounds like cannibalism to swallow. In the past it was a mortal sin if you vomited out the host--probably because you could see that it was just a plain old communion wafer afterall. tsk. "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".)
 
I have a similar story--I asked if you could spit out the host and get Jesus' DNA. (It's a sin to spit it out--but it sounds like cannibalism to swallow. In the past it was a mortal sin if you vomited out the host--probably because you could see that it was just a plain old communion wafer afterall. tsk. "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".)

Catholic Church...kids spitting out DNA...

Nah, too easy.
 

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