How far would you go in defending your country?

[hammegk]

Interesting, the negative opinions on suicide bombing. Did it not work in Lebanon? If you can take out 241 enemy combatants at the cost of one of your own, isn't that a pretty good bargain?

Works so far against "paper tigers". Real tigers might respond differently. The 241 could be repaid with 241,000 deaths.

 

[Bjorn]

Re: Re: How far would you go in defending your country?

When fighting for freedom, a soldier is morally more perfect and righteous. They will not commit crimes against humanity because the soldier from the free state is the moral man.

But a little while ago JK posted:

I think of that guy, I thinking of him strapped to a metal mattress spring with it hardwired with 115 volts and when the loyal American who turns the power regulator up spins the little copper dial, people a mile away are wondering why their lightbulbs are dimming.

That is what I think of when I think of Al Qaida. I am thinking an American behind the electrode dial with earplugs on while the terrorist is doing the Zeus dance on the mattress spring. And then maybe, just maybe, 10 hours later the questions start to get asked.

Morally more perfect? Sure.

 

[jj]

Re: Re: Re: Re: How far would you go in defending your country?

My, someone has delusions of grandeur.

No, just an acknowledgement of capability.

JK [/B]

The envelope, please, Ed.

I sense something, maybe to do with eating, I know, it's ate! No, wait, it's the number 8, and something with grapefruits! 8 Sections? No, that's backward.

It's "Section 8", Ed.

 

[Ruby]

If your country were being invaded would you feel justified in:

Suicide bombing?
Guerilla warfare?
Faked surrender?
Human shields?
Torture of captured invading forces?

Nope on all of them. I think our military would dispose of them fairly quickly without having to violate the Geneva convention or their honor.

 

[a_unique_person]

Re: Re: How far would you go in defending your country?

The Iraqis who are suicide bombing are doing so under pressure from a leftist radical totalitarian regime.

That is different than fighting for "freedom". When fighting for freedom, a soldier is morally more perfect and righteous. They will not commit crimes against humanity because the soldier from the free state is the moral man.

That said, I would use every ounce of military training I received and would also use my extensive war experience to defend the United States if it were invaded. It would be the duty of all Amricans to do so because we are a free country, and to invade us means that the country invading was very evil and had to be destroyed.

There is no moral relativism between the invasion of Iraq and a hypothetical invasion of the United States. Iraq is a terror nation-state, while the US is a free state. If you can't see that, perhaps 1,000 MG of leftistcillin is what you need lol.

If the US was ever invaded I would be a General Officer in command of a covert light infantry division of some type.

JK

special pleading.

 

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Some Iraqis are resisting the occupation. Are they evil, anti-Americans or are they doing their duty, no different than any other member of a nation occupied by invaders?

 

[Luke T.]

If your country were being invaded would you feel justified in:

Suicide bombing?
Guerilla warfare?
Faked surrender?
Human shields?
Torture of captured invading forces?

Where would you stop? Would you do anything differently than what you believe the Iraqis have done?

In short, why should you adhere to any of the rules of war?

Why or why not?

For these to be viable options upon the invasion of my country, a whole lot of other stuff would have to have gone very badly first. The complete defeat of American military forces, for starters. So I guess we are talking about invaders from outer space, and therefore there are no "human rights" to violate.....

 

[rustypouch]

I, for one, welcome our new leftist radical totalitarian matriarchal overlords.

But seriously, if Canada were being invaded there is very little I would not do, except I think torture is something I could not do.

 

[Ed]

I, for one, welcome our new leftist radical totalitarian matriarchal overlords.

But seriously, if Canada were being invaded there is very little I would not do, except I think torture is something I could not do.

You could, anyone could.

 

[peptoabysmal]

I would do all of the above, if it got the desired result. If, however; every time I did some rebelling act, the invading country brought their military might down upon my country in a show of pure military superiority, I would surrender rather than cause thousands or hundreds of thousands of my fellow citizens to die. This is why we cannot allow terrorism to have any effect other than making things far worse for the terrorists.

 

[Malachi151]

Let's face it, if I thought that I coudl "save the country" through a fake surrender then yes i would. To say no is absurd. Well, I think we could win this, but it will require dirty tactics, nah, better just let them win I guess....

America has been the world leader is throwing away the rules of war. We are the ones that "invented" gurellia warefare and the "all's fair in love and war" tactics.

The REAL question is, what are you willing to do to save the country from the tyrants in power? Would you ever engage in military rebellion against an American President? If the leadership no longer serves the people, then our founders said it was our duty to overthrow that leadership.

 

[Guest]

If my country was being invaded, I'd welcome the people and say "Hi! My name is Whodini.", and try to get along.

More war wouldn't really solve anything, especially if it was a hopeless situation.

In any case, I'd always try and solve things by talking to people first.

-Who

 

[athon]

For me, I guess you would have to define 'invasion'. If it is in the old fashioned 'feudal' way, as in a the movement of actual armed forces into the territory where I live, killing and brutalising along the way, just so they can establish their own regime, I would probably go guerilla (no suicide - bombing; I guess I selfishly love my own life more than the sanctity of my nation's way of life).

But invasions such as this are rare, thankfully, in today's world. The influence of one nation over another is much more likely to be through trade relations, government influences, sanctions, treaties...those sort of things.

What are we truly worried about when an army invades? It is mostly losing a sense of identity, the suppression of our culture, seeing a sense of injustice and the fear of having your views neglected by the ruling body, and so on. The scary thing is that such things don't need guns and ammo to occur. Sometimes a physical army would be easier to fight.

Athon

 

[JAR]

My 10 million commie friends an I would welcome the invaders and try to win their favor so we can secure high positions in the newly formed Commie States of America.

(pssssssssst dont tell Jedi)

Tmy, are you a communist. Before you say "yes", I'd like to remind you that countries and movements that claim or claimed to be communistic have a bad track record when it comes to not committing mass murder. I don't know what it is, they just tend be incompetent at not killing ridiculous numbers of people.

 

[Ed]

Let's face it, if I thought that I coudl "save the country" through a fake surrender then yes i would. To say no is absurd. Well, I think we could win this, but it will require dirty tactics, nah, better just let them win I guess....

America has been the world leader is throwing away the rules of war. We are the ones that "invented" gurellia warefare and the "all's fair in love and war" tactics.

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These tacticss certinly predate the revolution. I assume you have references, might yyou share them?

 

[Tmy]

I would just give up and obey my new overlords. Just like I did in the last presidential election.

 

[Tmy]

Tmy, are you a communist. Before you say "yes", I'd like to remind you that countries and movements that claim or claimed to be communistic have a bad track record when it comes to not committing mass murder. I don't know what it is, they just tend be incompetent at not killing ridiculous numbers of people.

No No No,. Im part of the new improved happy go lucky commie party. Our Motto: Communism, Its like America but with more Ashcrofts!

We're over that whole mass killing phase. But hey, who doesnt commit mass murder now and then. Nobodys perfect.

 

[Tmy]

Come on you wheelchair generals, you monday-morning quarterbacks. I was hoping for some creativity here.

If your country is invaded, would you poison the water supplies where the enemy drinks? Set off a dirty nuclear device under the command headquarters?

We speak of the priceless nature of freedom, yet how would you be willing to pay to get it back?

Sneeze all over the enemy cafeteria salad bar!

Hey wouldnt we be expectedto rat out all our terrorists. Isnt that what people want the Palistinain people to do wh Hamas. Imagine the retaliation if I turned the JK brigade over to the invaders............OK thats a bad example.

 

[Q-Source]

If your country were being invaded would you feel justified in:

Suicide bombing?
Guerilla warfare?
Faked surrender?
Human shields?
Torture of captured invading forces?

This is crap.
I would not definitely lift a finger to defend my country from any invasion in any violent way. I hate patriotism, I love pacifism in Mexico, China or the USA.

What are nations?, am I going to kill and die to defend a peace of geographical land?. If I ever have to fight then it will be by more intelligent reasons that keeping a stupid territory.

Q-S

 

[Jedi Knight]

I would not definitely lift a finger to defend my country from any invasion in any violent way. I hate patriotism, I love pacifism in Mexico, China or the USA.

You mean you love slavery.

JK