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How do we explain ghosts?

Do you believe in bigfoot as well? There is an equal amount of evidence for this as well. Loads of internet stories and rubbish pictures. Neither makes it so. Here is the simple truth, if these things existed - given the amount of time and effort of people wanting to prove and believe in them, we would have real proof by now. Not scary stories or faked pictures. Nor would we need ghost hunter shows that have all been proven to fake for dramatic affect. We will be here for decades to come if you keep searching out nonsense on the internet to bring to us. Spiders freak me out, you know what I don't do, go looking for stories or pictures of spiders.
 
Some great replies thank you. I have recently seen this article, came across it by mistake and now it has freaked me out. Surely these stories can't be true?
https://secretldn.com/haunted-underground-stations/

I just want to be assured that ghosts if they are real that they aren't dead people/spirits of the dead. Please see the link and let me know what you think?

Oh come on. That article contains such gems as...

The rumour goes that there’s a secret tunnel connecting the Egyptian room at the British Museum to Holborn. Logic suggests that the ghost of Amun-ra has been using this tunnel to travel to Holborn and snatch tube passengers to take back to his lair.

Ghosts need tunnels to mooch around now.

FFS
 
I am sorry to go on and on! I was once a believer and all it did was cause confusion and high anxiety, hence why I ask a lot of questions.

Okay, but consider this: You're not asking a lot of questions. You're asking the same question over and over and over again, even though you keep getting the same answer.

At some point your thinking on this needs to mature from asking the same question every time you encounter a new instance of the same thing; to applying the answer you're getting, on your own, to new encounters. You make sounds like you hear what you're being told. At some point, you need to actually learn from it, and use that learning to think for yourself.

The longer this takes, the more you keep asking the same question even though you keep getting the same answer, the more people are going to start doubting your sincerity. The more people are going to think twice about answering you at all, or putting any effort into trying to help you learn.
 
Logic suggests that the ghost of Amun-ra has been using this tunnel to travel to Holborn and snatch tube passengers to take back to his lair.

Oh, well, if logic suggests it, I guess it must be so.

I wonder how many passengers have mysteriously vanished so far. Do you suppose we could come up with some sort of trap for Amun-Ra? You know, I have a sneaking suspicion he'll turn out to be the old caretaker in disguise. I don't quite trust that guy.
 
Oh, well, if logic suggests it, I guess it must be so.

I wonder how many passengers have mysteriously vanished so far. Do you suppose we could come up with some sort of trap for Amun-Ra? You know, I have a sneaking suspicion he'll turn out to be the old caretaker in disguise. I don't quite trust that guy.

Oh, that's easy. All we need is a Scooby Doo style reveal.
 
Oh, well, if logic suggests it, I guess it must be so.

I wonder how many passengers have mysteriously vanished so far. Do you suppose we could come up with some sort of trap for Amun-Ra? You know, I have a sneaking suspicion he'll turn out to be the old caretaker in disguise. I don't quite trust that guy.

All that is needed is a great dane and 4 teenagers.

ETA abaddon types faster than me.
 
Okay, but consider this: You're not asking a lot of questions. You're asking the same question over and over and over again, even though you keep getting the same answer.

At some point your thinking on this needs to mature from asking the same question every time you encounter a new instance of the same thing; to applying the answer you're getting, on your own, to new encounters. You make sounds like you hear what you're being told. At some point, you need to actually learn from it, and use that learning to think for yourself.

The longer this takes, the more you keep asking the same question even though you keep getting the same answer, the more people are going to start doubting your sincerity. The more people are going to think twice about answering you at all, or putting any effort into trying to help you learn.
Well put.

It is total boy cried wolf territory. Just look at the thread. We have gone from rational explanations being suggested to "Not this baloney again." And there is a reason why you alluded to that. Eventually, folks simply get fed up with same claim, same answer. Repeatedly.

This breathless credule attitude from OP wears thin every time, because the answer is the same every time. Who wants to waste their time asking for evidence of each and every case vomited forth? Simply ask have you any evidence at all for any of this anywhere?

Which will be immediately followed by other, different claims from other different places.

Poe? Troll? Whichever. Not worth any actual effort at this point.

Now I am going to predict a rise of this nonsense in the current crisis.
People are confined at home in large numbers and have nothing better to do that browse pointless top ten lists of ANYTHING. Because they are bored. I am bored. I am starting to hate my own four walls. That is how the world is right now. My saving grace is that I have an out from time to time as need arises. I have a letter in the car that lays out why I am allowed to travel and for what purpose. But plenty of people are simply stuck indoors. This means that craptons of them will spend their days reading dumb top ten lists.
 
I am sorry to go on and on! I was once a believer and all it did was cause confusion and high anxiety, hence why I ask a lot of questions.
If you are no longer a believer, again, why the persistent posting of “ghost” hogwash?
 
Some great replies thank you. I have recently seen this article, came across it by mistake and now it has freaked me out. Surely these stories can't be true?
https://secretldn.com/haunted-underground-stations/

I just want to be assured that ghosts if they are real that they aren't dead people/spirits of the dead. Please see the link and let me know what you think?
Like all ghost stories they are not real. London had literally hundreds of "haunted" locations.
 
Without wishing to sound disrespectful, that tube station stuff is the most fearful load of old bolleaux, lacking anything close to credibility.

As pointed out, we are going round and round this one to the tune of 500 posts and 13 pages. What is it that you are really asking us?
It's also rather inaccurate. The account of the Bethnal Green tube station disaster has several errors of fact.

Most of the stories appear to have been copied from Spragg's book.
 
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I plan to make a post about how people can talk themselves into thinking something other-worldly is happening using Youtube videos.

This is an example:

This channel is WW2 History Hunter, he doesn't believe in ghosts. He makes videos of his adventures running around old German gun emplacements and outposts and bunkers with his metal detector where he digs up artifacts from the war. It is very entertaining. His channel is devoid of paranormal content.

This first video is from 2016, he goes into some thick woods looking for a flak gun emplacement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eC7ua0KFxU&t=601s

This video is mostly him digging up shrapnel and bullet cases, but early on he mentions that the forest is "creepy", and this sets up what happens later. At the 8:40 mark he talks about feeling like he's being watched, and goes to investigate but finds nothing. He returns to digging things up and the video ends.

Driven by the comments section he returns to the site. He still doesn't believe in ghosts but gets sucked into looking for anomalies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDCBg68sGQ8&t=9s

At the 8:19 mark he's going frame-by-frame with his GoPro and in ONE frame there is a glitch and instead of chalking it up to digital technology he labels it as "weird". At 13:58 he talks about feeling like he's not alone. Still, he returns to digging up stuff instead of freaking out.

Good for him.

This week he let himself be talked into returning to the forest with trail cameras to catch possible paranormal activity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmMMK9KvJQY&t=1156s

Right off the bat he is "surrounded" by a half-dozen toads and he's cheeky about it. He sets up his cameras and leaves them for a week. At 16:45 he plays the footage he's recorded. It's not paranormal but it is weird. Branches come and go and at one point someone with a flashlight walks through the woods in the dead of night. The sounds are weird but not explainable. We see rodents and in other videos we saw badger dens.

These videos are a prime example of how credible people can talk themselves into believing the fantastic.

I'm sure he's enjoying all of the extra hits his channel is probably getting now that he's embraced the History channel's format of offering up paranormal content.

All he needs to do is pitch his World War artifacts/ghost-hunting in spooky forests idea and History channel would be all over it; throw in a Bigfoot episode and he's got solid gold material for most of the Discovery channels.
 
I do wonder why you seem so keen to believe in ghosts yourself, despite the repeated shredding of the claims you have asked about. Does the complete lack of credible evidence make the idea more appealing to you?

People who believe in ghosts are the least of our worries in this world, tbh. Ghosts and the supernatural are a romantic notion for many people, in that they indicate a world beyond our own, a possible realm where loved ones never truly vanish.

Something I find more disturbing than a person believing in ghosts is a person believing that Coronavirus is man-made, or that it's a hoax designed by the dreaded gub'n'mint to raise taxes or some other such bollocks.
 
There are no known natural principles that would allow for the existence of ghosts. At times, they follow the laws of physics, then seemingly violate them at will, which is a major indicator that the phenomena most likely does not exist. Also, clothes aren't alive, so how do ghosts always seem to be dressed? And how do the clothes manage to go through walls? Another red flag. If ghosts do exist, why do they not impart any relevant information, such as Abert Einstein's ghost finishing his Unified Field Theory, or Lee Harvey Oswald's ghost telling us who really shot JFK? And the list goes on....

Tbf, there are many examples of "naked ghosts... Don't ask me how I know this!

Ghosts, vampires, goblins, witches, ghouls, werewolves, all come from folklore and folk tales the world over. It's basically a human tradition, we've all been bred on it in some form or other, and it went on to become ingrained in the psyche. Pop culture is entwined in the supernatural, even to this day, people love it.

I don't see it ever changing, no matter how bare the cupboard of evidence is, and it's bare, barer than the barest of ghostly arses.
 
Without wishing to sound disrespectful, that tube station stuff is the most fearful load of old bolleaux, lacking anything close to credibility.

As pointed out, we are going round and round this one to the tune of 500 posts and 13 pages. What is it that you are really asking us?

Well, it's the General Scepticism and Paranormal section, after all. What else should these threads be used for if not for waffling about this sort of stuff?

I enjoy the opportunity to even browse these near-dead threads these days, this section barely gets used anymore. The most fearful load of old bolleaux, lacking anything close to credibility could almost be a line used to describe the Social Issues and Current Events section full of white folks arguing for and against things pertaining to black folks on a seemingly daily basis, and certainly the Politics twaddle threads full of old people yelling from opposing lawns.
 
Spiders freak me out, you know what I don't do, go looking for stories or pictures of spiders.

Humans have been intentionally looking at things that freak them out since day one, tbh.

It's the reason we have a genre known as Horror within film and literature.

It's the reason people who don't like gore will turn their heads back a couple of times to try and get a glimpse of a car wreck.

Perfectly natural.
 
Well put.

It is total boy cried wolf territory. Just look at the thread. We have gone from rational explanations being suggested to "Not this baloney again." And there is a reason why you alluded to that. Eventually, folks simply get fed up with same claim, same answer. Repeatedly.

This breathless credule attitude from OP wears thin every time, because the answer is the same every time. Who wants to waste their time asking for evidence of each and every case vomited forth? Simply ask have you any evidence at all for any of this anywhere?

Which will be immediately followed by other, different claims from other different places.

Poe? Troll? Whichever. Not worth any actual effort at this point.

Well we're all replying, page after page. I for one don't mind it. There was once a time when believers roamed here majestically, like wild elk in Scotland, long before Irn Bru wiped them all out.

The history of ghosts is intriguing, IMO. Humanity's love affair with the supernatural is eye-opening, even down to the very credible scientists who dabbled in it.

For instance, Newton was rather taken by the occult, an alchemist and a very religious man.

The zoologist and biologist, Carl Linnaeus, was particularly intrigued by the idea of mermaids.

Alfred Russell Wallace, good friend of Darwin, was a very keen spiritualist.

The list goes on...

Conan Doyle being a famous enthusiast of all things that go bump in the night, or more particularly, all things that go "sparkle" in the garden.

I find the subject of ghosts infinitely more interesting than the subject of Bigfoot, though I do enjoy a good chin-wag about the big hairy dunce from time to time. Ghosts are an ancient interest among us hoomans, Bigfoot, as we know it, is relatively recent.

I love the Victorian age, reading about what made them tick, learning more about how they functioned as a society and whatnot. They were very interested in the supernatural, be they believers or not. You don't have to believe in ghosts to be interested in them.

The problem these days is that the supernatural has gone from the campfires and the parlours of old houses to the dirge of the television and the internet, fodder like "Ghost Hunters" and other such vehicles for fast-food style scares devoid of any intelligence, quite literally a bunch of wet noodles running around in the dark, yelling.

Most people have lost touch with the age-old idea of sitting down and weaving a ghostly tale to a room full of wide-eyed listeners, and I, for one, find that sad.

Nothing was more entertaining to me as a kid than listening to my dad and uncles telling us scary stories in the dark, it's exactly the reason I was such a fan of Horror, and still am.

Nothing beats a good Horror film, or a novel, for me.

Like the beginning of John Carpenter's the Fog, on the dark beach, beside the roaring campfire, an old man telling a tale about a ghost ship full of dead souls looking to exact revenge... Ghosts are a thrill, when given the chance. Very much worth the effort, IMO.
 
True. London has far better ghost stories than those. I'm tempted to post some.

There's a particularly fun "ghost walk" in London that takes you to the Ten Bells pub, where some not-so-fun stories are told involving the very real dead women of the very real Whitechapel murders. A good Ripper "walk" will include a few of these stories as well, whether they're deemed to be in good taste or not is another matter, though I suppose they're not half as bad as the world of Ripper fiction that exists!

My city has some amazing old ghost stories, including those around St. James's cemetery, which has a history that is absolutely fascinating with or without ghosts. I literally used to spend all day there as a teenager. The cemetery famously houses a monument to William Huskisson, MP, who was rather unfortunate in that he was ran over and killed by George Stephenson's Rocket locomotive in 1830, his ghost is now said to wander the graveyard near his mausoleum.

You could tell stories for days about this particular cemetery. It contains a spring, most people who aren't local won't know about, but I used to drink from it all the time...

The spring was first discovered in 1773 while work on the quarry was progressing. A local surgeon, James Worthington wrote a paper to the medicinal virtues of this water, especially for:
“loss of appetite, nervous disorders, Lowness of spirit, headache is proceeding from crudities of the stomach, Ricketts and weak eyes.”
Indeed until recently a Doctor from the nearby Rodney Street used to visit the spring for a drink every day.

The spring was surrounded by an iron railing with a ladle attached so people could easily fill bottles and jars from the Spa.

An interesting point about the spring was made by John Thompson in 1894. Apparently when they were widening Church Street, they had to remove some bodies from St Peter's Church graveyard. Among them was the corpse of Captain David Gwin who died on the 21st July 1813 aged 76. His body was completely petrified and as hard as stone. It is believed that St James's spring may have run in that direction, and the minerals in the water caused this remarkable result.

A small plaque above the spring bears the inscription by Cuthbert Bridgewater:

Christian reader view in me,
An emblem of true charity,
Who freely what I have bestow,
Though neither heard nor seen to flow,
And I have full return from heaven,
For every cup of water given.


The cemetery also famously holds the grave of Kitty Wilkinson, (1786-1860) who was a hero of the cholera outbreak of 1832.

Some of the names in the cemetery are fascinating...

http://www.stjamescemetery.co.uk/index/category/people
 

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