I've seen photos of fairies in a back garden.
Fairies are therefore real.
I hope you can see the flaw.
I've seen photos of fairies in a back garden.
Fairies are therefore real.
I hope you can see the flaw.
It does indeed, and I would say it was a streak of false light that came unto the film while it was being wound.
In this case it looks to me like the film has kinks. When you hold the undeveloped film in one end, and accidentally twist it, a characteristic fold looking like a sickle can appear in the celluloid. The silver grains develop as if they had been exposed to light, but I do not know by which process. When I was young and developed my own negatives, I sometimes (fortunately rarely) saw these sickle-formed marks, and I could see that they were exactly where the kinks were on the film.
P.J. Denyer
Penultimate Amazing
Orbs are floating dust, insects, hair etc near the lens when using cameras with onboard flash. Pareidolia, misinterpretation and fakes cover the rest.
curious cat
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P.J. Denyer
Penultimate Amazing
No. Really just no. Proof is for mathmatics, but if anyone came up with strong evidence for anything that could reasonably be called a ghost it would jump out of the scientific journals and on to the front pages. Not to mention being discussed here.
Axxman300
Philosopher
The short answer is this:
If you're asking if spirits of the dead walk among us, haunting places where they lived or died - the answer is NO.
If you are asking if there are conditions; atmospheric, and enviro-physiological which can allow people to see or hear someone who is not there the answer is Yes.
Simply put, if you believe in ghosts you will see them.
In 120 years of serious parapsychology research there has been no evidence that ghosts exist.
I can show you a picture of Rivendell, doesn't mean it is something that exists in the real world.
Axxman300
Philosopher
I plan to make a post about how people can talk themselves into thinking something other-worldly is happening using Youtube videos.
This is an example:
This channel is WW2 History Hunter, he doesn't believe in ghosts. He makes videos of his adventures running around old German gun emplacements and outposts and bunkers with his metal detector where he digs up artifacts from the war. It is very entertaining. His channel is devoid of paranormal content.
This first video is from 2016, he goes into some thick woods looking for a flak gun emplacement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eC7ua0KFxU&t=601s
This video is mostly him digging up shrapnel and bullet cases, but early on he mentions that the forest is "creepy", and this sets up what happens later. At the 8:40 mark he talks about feeling like he's being watched, and goes to investigate but finds nothing. He returns to digging things up and the video ends.
Driven by the comments section he returns to the site. He still doesn't believe in ghosts but gets sucked into looking for anomalies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDCBg68sGQ8&t=9s
At the 8:19 mark he's going frame-by-frame with his GoPro and in ONE frame there is a glitch and instead of chalking it up to digital technology he labels it as "weird". At 13:58 he talks about feeling like he's not alone. Still, he returns to digging up stuff instead of freaking out.
Good for him.
This week he let himself be talked into returning to the forest with trail cameras to catch possible paranormal activity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmMMK9KvJQY&t=1156s
Right off the bat he is "surrounded" by a half-dozen toads and he's cheeky about it. He sets up his cameras and leaves them for a week. At 16:45 he plays the footage he's recorded. It's not paranormal but it is weird. Branches come and go and at one point someone with a flashlight walks through the woods in the dead of night. The sounds are weird but not explainable. We see rodents and in other videos we saw badger dens.
These videos are a prime example of how credible people can talk themselves into believing the fantastic.
Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
A gentle reminder: skepticism is about believing that which is evidenced.
If there was any evidence, pretty much everyone here would accept the existence of ghosts.
It seems strange you should ask people who don't believe in ghosts because they have no evidence for them, if they have any evidence ghosts exist.
You are dangerously close to the woo-merchants' idea of skeptics, which is that, secretly, deep-down, we know it's all true (all of it!), but we just don't want to admit it.
Just to be clear: I am not hiding a secret belief in ghosts, based on evidence I found but haven't told anyone. Really.
I do wonder why you seem so keen to believe in ghosts yourself, despite the repeated shredding of the claims you have asked about. Does the complete lack of credible evidence make the idea more appealing to you?
Thanks for the links and the story!
One of the things that’s showed up now that everyone has a cel phone camera is lots of videos of electrical faults and explosions. There’s a few really impressive ones of electrical faults traveling slowly down power lines, looking like an incandescent spitting blue ball. These get mislabeled as ball lightning and shared all over social media. Even though we now have real, lab-formed ball lightning videos.... but they don’t look as cool, and they say stuff like “we believe this is caused by the same process as the phenomenon known as ‘ball lightning.’”
But the videos are still cool as hell so I’m not complaining that much.
My favorite one: https://youtu.be/iDL9f7n1URc
One of the things that’s showed up now that everyone has a cel phone camera is lots of videos of electrical faults and explosions. There’s a few really impressive ones of electrical faults traveling slowly down power lines, looking like an incandescent spitting blue ball. These get mislabeled as ball lightning and shared all over social media. Even though we now have real, lab-formed ball lightning videos.... but they don’t look as cool, and they say stuff like “we believe this is caused by the same process as the phenomenon known as ‘ball lightning.’”
But the videos are still cool as hell so I’m not complaining that much.
My favorite one: https://youtu.be/iDL9f7n1URc
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gigmaster
Scholar
There are no known natural principles that would allow for the existence of ghosts. At times, they follow the laws of physics, then seemingly violate them at will, which is a major indicator that the phenomena most likely does not exist. Also, clothes aren't alive, so how do ghosts always seem to be dressed? And how do the clothes manage to go through walls? Another red flag. If ghosts do exist, why do they not impart any relevant information, such as Abert Einstein's ghost finishing his Unified Field Theory, or Lee Harvey Oswald's ghost telling us who really shot JFK? And the list goes on....
Spektator
Is that right?
I discovered another source of bizarre images on film when I bought my first SLR, a nifty little Olympus. On a cold day, I was shooting photos outside. A chilly wind had sprung up, and as I got two-thirds of the way through a roll of Kodak Plus-X panchromatic film (B&W because I had just gotten into film processing and had a home darkroom), I got so cold that I shot maybe ten exposures very rapidly, then rewound as fast as I could. When I developed and printed the film and photos, wow! A number of them toward the end showed an old abandoned farmhouse where once my great-aunt had lived.
Paranormal energies were sparking out of the structure. Oh, how eerie. Maybe my dead great-aunt was reaching out to me.
Nah.
Because after the first surprise, I realized what had happened. I had moved the film so fast inside the camera when I rewound that I generated a miniature lightning storm of static electricity. I was seeing the imprints of static discharge. No ghostly phenomena, but it did look kind of cool.
Paranormal energies were sparking out of the structure. Oh, how eerie. Maybe my dead great-aunt was reaching out to me.
Nah.
Because after the first surprise, I realized what had happened. I had moved the film so fast inside the camera when I rewound that I generated a miniature lightning storm of static electricity. I was seeing the imprints of static discharge. No ghostly phenomena, but it did look kind of cool.
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Thor 2
Philosopher
Baaaaa ....... you are a typical skeptic Spektator.
There was your great-aunt reaching out to you and you have to find some way to explain it away. Shame on you.
There was your great-aunt reaching out to you and you have to find some way to explain it away. Shame on you.
AmyW
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Some great replies thank you. I have recently seen this article, came across it by mistake and now it has freaked me out. Surely these stories can't be true?
https://secretldn.com/haunted-underground-stations/
I just want to be assured that ghosts if they are real that they aren't dead people/spirits of the dead. Please see the link and let me know what you think?
https://secretldn.com/haunted-underground-stations/
I just want to be assured that ghosts if they are real that they aren't dead people/spirits of the dead. Please see the link and let me know what you think?
EHocking
Penultimate Amazing
They are not real.
How many times do you need to hear that stated here to stop you bumping the thread with twaddle?
How many times do you need to hear that stated here to stop you bumping the thread with twaddle?
Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
You're welcome.
Shame you're going to completely ignore them.
Bilge.
Anyone as anxious and 'freaked out' as you claim to be would have stopped reading at the word 'Haunted' in the title.
Strangely, the answer to that is going to be the same as all the other answers you've had to that same question.
These stories are just that. 'Someone reckons they saw something spooky! Whoooh! Creepy!'- the same as all the others.
Zero evidence- the same as all the others.
Yet you read them believe them ask for our input, then ignore it and return again a few weeks later with another list of anecdotes that have supposedly 'freaked you out'.
Sorry, not buying this any more.
No, AmyW, what do you think? Given that you say you don't believe in ghosts any more, and given that everything everyone has said to you on this forum has supported you in that, and given that your latest link provides no evidence whatsoever to support the idea that there are spirits of the dead wandering the London Underground, can you say what there is about this latest article that would make you reconsider your claimed position?
What do you think about it?
Again, I'm afraid I don't believe you.
Carrot Flower King
Janitor of Lunacy
Without wishing to sound disrespectful, that tube station stuff is the most fearful load of old bolleaux, lacking anything close to credibility.
As pointed out, we are going round and round this one to the tune of 500 posts and 13 pages. What is it that you are really asking us?
As pointed out, we are going round and round this one to the tune of 500 posts and 13 pages. What is it that you are really asking us?
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