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How do we explain ghosts?

You're confusing the idea of credible witnesses with independent verification but they are two separate things.

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I don't know if that is addressed to me or not, but all I have presented is what I would regard as credible evidence, nothing more. In no way am I saying ghosts are proven, or even well evidenced. I am saying that due to credible sightings, I think that there is a probability there is something (not sure exactly what) that we call a ghost, that is not just a mind trick, trick of the light.
 
I don't know if that is addressed to me or not, but all I have presented is what I would regard as credible evidence, nothing more. In no way am I saying ghosts are proven, or even well evidenced. I am saying that due to credible sightings, I think that there is a probability there is something (not sure exactly what) that we call a ghost, that is not just a mind trick, trick of the light.

I've spent 39 years studying this subject. I have read every book on the subject, everything from egghead to regional true ghost stories. I still buy true ghost story books now and again. My interest was formed in my teenage years while I worked in a restaurant that - seemed- to be haunted. I had a key to the place and I spent hours in this one location alone trying to figure it all out. I WAS a believer based on the things I saw and heard in the three years I worked there. As I became knowledgeable I was asked to investigate hauntings around town.

A few years later the US Army closed Fort Ord leaving 3,000 different buildings empty. I've been inside approximately 600 of them, but not in search of ghosts. My interest was the many murals left behind by the soldiers of the 7thID(L). Out of those 600 buildings I experienced unusual activity in 12. That's 2%. The great thing about an abandoned Army base is that many of the buildings are uniform and this allowed me make observations the few investigators could make. Why does one building creep me out while an identical building in worse shape feel comfortable. Most of the buildings experienced suicides during their 40 years and a few saw murders. All of them saw brutal assaults.

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(Spooky, right? Completely comfortable building)

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(Uniform)

Why does one building give off a creepy vibe while it's twin feel welcoming(or neutral)? Why would I see things in one but not the other?

This was the late 1990's through 2005, and the first real research into Infrasound was being published. This work gave me something solid to observe and it paid dividends. I found that the creepy buildings had fewer open doors on their second and third floors creating a resonating chamber effect. After I opened all of the doors on all three floors of the creepy building the feelings of dread vanished. I found the reverse to be true when I closed doors in the "happy" buildings.

And yes, this is subjective. It holds zero scientific value but I feel it is a reasonable explanation that is consistent with scientific research on infrasound.

I heard and saw a lot of things out there, and I have ghost stories up the yinyang from my explorations there, but I also followed up on these occurrences until I could explain most of them. And I finish with this point:

My investigations fall into two catagories; explained and yet to be explained. Like I said, I'd love to get my hands on that Nobel Prize money, I would love to see ghosts "proven" as something other than a trick of the mind. The fact is I have to play by the rules and that means that I have no evidence of ghosts. I do have evidence that supports the conclusions about infrasound's influence on the mind, and to me that's just as rewarding.
 
Yes. Since part of the house was the police office and being where we were, doors were not always locked, we had had people just walk into the house.



The footsteps walked right past me, but I saw no one. The same thing happened to my spouse.



What I find strange about this is how you could identify them as footsteps that sounded the same. You have no way of knowing what it sounded like to other people with a similar claim. And what do footsteps actually sound like? I'd say they can sound very different depending on the surface, the speed, footwear and so on. I think from the evidence you presented you don't have enough to know if you and the others claiming to have heard the same thing. Indeed I can see how other people could have claimed to have heard the same thing after you mentioned it when at the time they didn't identify them as footsteps.

It is anything but evidence for a supernatural event.
 
What I find strange about this is how you could identify them as footsteps that sounded the same. You have no way of knowing what it sounded like to other people with a similar claim. And what do footsteps actually sound like? I'd say they can sound very different depending on the surface, the speed, footwear and so on. I think from the evidence you presented you don't have enough to know if you and the others claiming to have heard the same thing. Indeed I can see how other people could have claimed to have heard the same thing after you mentioned it when at the time they didn't identify them as footsteps.

It is anything but evidence for a supernatural event.

I think you mean that the different people who heard footsteps may have heard different footsteps?

I know that what I heard was footsteps and it is evidence that there is something out there that we know virtually nothing about.
 
I have gone from wanting to believe in something more than we know to simply not being able to explain thing and events. For example a house I lived in 30 years ago had more winter ghosts than summer, once the frost was out and the furnace off.

CO and frost heaving could explain it all if my fuzzy memories are half right. But no way I can go back anymore. I just recently read of carbon monoxide gasses fooling the senses and " causing " ghost perception. My basement room had more weirdness than the drafty 2nd floor.

You NEVER see any ghost hunters on tv testing that.
 
I think you mean that the different people who heard footsteps may have heard different footsteps?



I know that what I heard was footsteps and it is evidence that there is something out there that we know virtually nothing about.
How can you know that?
 
I think you mean that the different people who heard footsteps may have heard different footsteps?



I know that what I heard was footsteps and it is evidence that there is something out there that we know virtually nothing about.
We actually know a *ton* about the limits of human perception and memory.

Unless you mean there's something out there that can't be verified, can't be measured, and can't be predicted.
 
We are not talking about "someone" walking through the house, but about a "ghost". In such a case, I would assume that the sound was only similar to the sound of foot steps, but not actual foot steps.
 
Nessie, what exactly do you believe a 'ghost' is? A person who has died?
 
I've spent 39 years studying this subject. I have read every book on the subject, everything from egghead to regional true ghost stories. I still buy true ghost story books now and again. My interest was formed in my teenage years while I worked in a restaurant that - seemed- to be haunted. I had a key to the place and I spent hours in this one location alone trying to figure it all out. I WAS a believer based on the things I saw and heard in the three years I worked there. As I became knowledgeable I was asked to investigate hauntings around town.

A few years later the US Army closed Fort Ord leaving 3,000 different buildings empty. I've been inside approximately 600 of them, but not in search of ghosts. My interest was the many murals left behind by the soldiers of the 7thID(L). Out of those 600 buildings I experienced unusual activity in 12. That's 2%. The great thing about an abandoned Army base is that many of the buildings are uniform and this allowed me make observations the few investigators could make. Why does one building creep me out while an identical building in worse shape feel comfortable. Most of the buildings experienced suicides during their 40 years and a few saw murders. All of them saw brutal assaults.

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(Spooky, right? Completely comfortable building)

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[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/7ogpZGs.jpg[/qimg]

(Uniform)

Why does one building give off a creepy vibe while it's twin feel welcoming(or neutral)? Why would I see things in one but not the other?

This was the late 1990's through 2005, and the first real research into Infrasound was being published. This work gave me something solid to observe and it paid dividends. I found that the creepy buildings had fewer open doors on their second and third floors creating a resonating chamber effect. After I opened all of the doors on all three floors of the creepy building the feelings of dread vanished. I found the reverse to be true when I closed doors in the "happy" buildings.

And yes, this is subjective. It holds zero scientific value but I feel it is a reasonable explanation that is consistent with scientific research on infrasound.

I heard and saw a lot of things out there, and I have ghost stories up the yinyang from my explorations there, but I also followed up on these occurrences until I could explain most of them. And I finish with this point:

My investigations fall into two catagories; explained and yet to be explained. Like I said, I'd love to get my hands on that Nobel Prize money, I would love to see ghosts "proven" as something other than a trick of the mind. The fact is I have to play by the rules and that means that I have no evidence of ghosts. I do have evidence that supports the conclusions about infrasound's influence on the mind, and to me that's just as rewarding.

Amazing, so after years of research you conclude that there is yet evidence to conclude ghosts exist.
I guess I do have questions, such as mediums and ghosts, if ghosts exist then maybe psychics claims are real and the afterlife does exist. This is where my thought processes lead to.
 
Amazing, so after years of research you conclude that there is yet evidence to conclude ghosts exist.
I guess I do have questions, such as mediums and ghosts, if ghosts exist then maybe psychics claims are real and the afterlife does exist. This is where my thought processes lead to.
If ghosts are real then almost anything is believable.
 
Nessie, what exactly do you believe a 'ghost' is? A person who has died?

I think a ghost maybe someone who appears out of time. The traditional ghost is someone who has died and has then reappeared but is now out of their time of existence. If it is some sort of time slip, a ghost could also be from the future or even elsewhere in the present.
 
We are not talking about "someone" walking through the house, but about a "ghost". In such a case, I would assume that the sound was only similar to the sound of foot steps, but not actual foot steps.

It was so similar as to be indistinguishable from actual foot steps.
 
I think a ghost maybe someone who appears out of time. The traditional ghost is someone who has died and has then reappeared but is now out of their time of existence. If it is some sort of time slip, a ghost could also be from the future or even elsewhere in the present.
In other words, physically impossible, and you even expanded the goal posts so that every place anywhere in the world has a connection to a death. Strange that ghosts only appear at certain places.
 
It was so similar as to be indistinguishable from actual foot steps.
Exactly. That is how our senses work. You conclusion that it must have been a physically impossible entity instead of a mundane event seems very strange.
 
If someone walked through your house, would not recognise what foot steps sound like?
Depends who was making them, how they were walking, what footwear they had on, the floor surface and so on.

I'm afraid you seem to be doing the equivalent of being in the New Forest and hearing the sounds of hooves and saying "that's a zebra".
 
In other words, physically impossible, and you even expanded the goal posts so that every place anywhere in the world has a connection to a death. Strange that ghosts only appear at certain places.

None of the instances I have related are directly related to a death. There is an assumption that the experiences in my former house may have been related to a death.

I am not convinced about stories of hauntings as there is then an expectation which will clearly influence people.

It is the unexpected, unanticipated experiences that I think suggest that there may be something out there which can be described as a ghost.
 

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