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How do we explain ghosts?

I just think it's spooky how two police officers saw the same person, that cannot be trickery of the mind therefore
 
AmyW said:
I just think it's spooky how two police officers saw the same person, that cannot be trickery of the mind therefore
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It certainly can. Did these officers speak to each other before reporting it to anyone else?

First officer, to second officer: Hey, remember that person we saw? Do you remember if they were wearing a scarf?

Second officer, to first officer: I dunno. Yeah, maybe.

Later

Second officer, to interviewer: We both definitely saw a person wearing a scarf.
 
What worries me is that a one time LEO would take such unmitigated pish as credible.

Nessie, what would you have said, back when you were a serving officer, if someone had used a line like that following an illegal act?

"Officer, it wasn't me it was a ghost. You only have to ask my friends and family about how credible I am and remember that I had no reason to fear a ghost would turn up and do this. Good day and thanks for coming round!"
 
AmyW said:
Nessie, what is a ghost? A dead person? This opens up a can of worms because if ghosts exist then the afterlife exists, therefore God must exist.......
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I do not know it that has to be the case. A ghost, by nature is something that has appeared out of time. It is both in the present and not at the same time and that does not need a God or afterlife.
 
kellyb said:
There's just as credible eyewitness evidence for aliens and bigfoot.

Do you accept those as real, too?

Re: the steps you hears, is there even a .001% chance someone was in the attic or the attached part of the house on the other side?
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All the people who I have seen who have claimed to have seen aliens etc are, well basically nutters. Plus, actual aliens or a big foot, I would expect some physical evidence that it had been present. A ghost, buy its nature would not leave physical evidence.
 
steenkh said:
I think that the death in the house is irrelevant to the explanation. As you have heard, people who think a death has happened in a house tend to see ghosts, even when no death has happened, and besides, there are lots of houses where people have died; indeed, most houses that are old will have had a death in the house. Hospitals should be crammed with ghosts.



Sure, but the fact is that you cannot rule out trivial causes simply because you cannot imagine any.
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We only found out about the death in the house, after we had been hearing the footsteps.
 
bluesjnr said:
What worries me is that a one time LEO would take such unmitigated pish as credible.

Nessie, what would you have said, back when you were a serving officer, if someone had used a line like that following an illegal act?

"Officer, it wasn't me it was a ghost. You only have to ask my friends and family about how credible I am and remember that I had no reason to fear a ghost would turn up and do this. Good day and thanks for coming round!"
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That is a false analogy. Trying to attribute a criminal act to a ghost is not credible and is nothing like what I am describing.

I went to lots of reports of "intruders" where at the end, we could find nothing and would joke about ghosts.

There was a famous ghost on a road out of one town I worked at, which I saw numerous times. It was a trick of the light, with headlights on a bend in the road causing a moving shadow that really did look like someone ran into the road and then vanished. I took a few phone calls about that, from non locals who did not know about the phenomena.

I and another officer saw a weird green light in the sky during one evening patrol. We could not find an explanation for that.

I was often single manned and checked remote properties when there were concerns of travelling criminals targeting such for housebreakings. I have been to some very creepy places and not had any experiences of anything.

If anything, being in the police opened my mind and means that I accept we cannot explain or evidence everything.
 
Just because we cannot explain it doesn't mean that an explanation doesn't exist. You may not know what caused that weird green light in the sky, but something caused it. Something mundane, something normal. It could have been any one of a million things you haven't thought of. You've got no way to rule any of them out.
 
So a ghost would be something which points to an afterlife and a god? Does this mean that psychics are real then when they claim they can speak to spirits? Like a dead uncle?
 
arthwollipot said:
Just because we cannot explain it doesn't mean that an explanation doesn't exist. You may not know what caused that weird green light in the sky, but something caused it. Something mundane, something normal. It could have been any one of a million things you haven't thought of. You've got no way to rule any of them out.
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This.

All 'unexplained' means is that you don't have enough information to work out the explanation. With anecdotes there is very rarely any chance of gathering more information afterwards, so they remain unexplained. That can never justify assuming a supernatural explanation.

On the rare occasions when further information does become available, it always turns out that there is a mundane explanation after all. Funny, that.
 
Someone mentioned the ghost story that was told here by a poster who did manage to gather more information. From memory: he was in a churchyard at a funeral in gathering mist, when some of the mourners noticed a mysterious figure in the distance. It was a white figure that seemed to walk towards them, then disappear. A few seconds later it would reappear, walk towards them again, and then vanish again. Note that all the mourners saw the same thing. A couple of them, including the poster, plucked up the courage to approach the apparition, and found it was a black and white cow, which was walking up and down in the field just beyond the churchyard. Its front half happened to be white and its back half black, so every time it walked towards them it looked like a two legged white human figure, and every time it walked away it simply vanished.

The important point to note about this story is if no-one had had the courage to investigate all those mourners would be telling that ghost story to this day, and in the unlikely event that anyone had thought of and suggested the cow explanation they would almost certainly have dismissed it out of hand.
 
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What a great story! This is the kind of thing in the range of "possible explanations you haven't thought of". Yes, the green light in the sky probably wasn't a black and white cow, but it might have been a kid playing with a green laser pointer, bouncing it off low hanging clouds. Or it might have been something else.
 
At two or three each morning, and occasionally at other times, I hear a sharp, cracking noise coming from my kitchen. It sounds like someone snapping a pencil. The noise is actually the anti-frost mechanism in my fridge/freezer going into action. It took me a few months to figure this one out. Samsung != ghost.
 
AmyW said:
Nessie, what is a ghost? A dead person? This opens up a can of worms because if ghosts exist then the afterlife exists, therefore God must exist.......
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Not if they're the 'replayed recording' type of ghost (which I also do not believe in btw), that wouldn't support even an afterlife by any sensible definition of the word. Even a conscious non corporeal survival 'here on earth' (for want of a better description) wouldn't support and afterlife or god(s), it would be a continuation of this life.
 
Nessie said:
That is a false analogy. Trying to attribute a criminal act to a ghost is not credible and is nothing like what I am describing.

I went to lots of reports of "intruders" where at the end, we could find nothing and would joke about ghosts.

There was a famous ghost on a road out of one town I worked at, which I saw numerous times. It was a trick of the light, with headlights on a bend in the road causing a moving shadow that really did look like someone ran into the road and then vanished. I took a few phone calls about that, from non locals who did not know about the phenomena.

I and another officer saw a weird green light in the sky during one evening patrol. We could not find an explanation for that.

I was often single manned and checked remote properties when there were concerns of travelling criminals targeting such for housebreakings. I have been to some very creepy places and not had any experiences of anything.

If anything, being in the police opened my mind and means that I accept we cannot explain or evidence everything.
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What is it that lacks credibility, the inclusion of a ghost in the defence or the notion that your ghosts do not commit criminal acts?
 
Nessie said:
There is credible witness evidence.
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It should be required that folks offer up proof on both levels, when a blanket statement like that is made, there should be some meat on the bone. Otherwise it's just as much a claim as a ghost witness making "claims"
 
Yes I guess they are only claims, just spooks me out and my thought was if ghosts exist then an afterlife exists. Am I wrong?
 
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