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How do we explain ghosts?

What I also find interesting is how a lot of people seem to see ghosts in the night, this must mean that they are still in a dream when they think they are awake. If ghosts were real we would see them everywhere but we don't!


It's easier to "see ghosts" at night partially because your retina/eye retains an after-image of whatever light you may have been looking at.

Umm I mean, try staring at some window blinds with light shining between all the cracks, then close your eyes (or open them in a dark area) - you see the light from the blinds still. If you were looking at something even remotely human in shape you may think it a ghost.
 
I don't explain ghosts.

Nothing ghosts do is significant enough to require explanation. It's not like they're hurricanes, or internal combustion, or stellar fusion, or anything else that's actually important. Stuff happens, and you want to attribute it to ghosts? Be my guest.

Show me a ghost that can do something predictable, repeatable, and useful, and I'll show you a ghost that requires any more explanation than, "that's nice... more tea?"
I find your lack of curiosity... disturbing.
 
When I lived in century old wood frame homes we noted lots of noises and odd drafts but never a poltergiest type event ever. No chairs rocking or things moving.

We chalked it up to old structure moving. Always something odd happened when day went to night and the stereo was off.

I moved into all block and post structures the last decade. No sounds. No movement . Turn off the noise and it's all silent save for the cat and traffic in the distance.

Ghosts in Mexico are visual, reflections in glass and shadow shapes. Tricks of the human eye can account for most as I see it.

And they usually have a mission when investigated by certain specialists. They can always be sent away with Christian type ritual and prayers.
Then the specialists cash out on it every way possible.
 
Very good point. The brain can see things but it may be that there is nothing there

When I was in the hospital last year (and under the influence of some powerful drugs), a few times I saw things, like the TV attached to the ceiling was really a dragon. I was coherent enough to take a few pictures with my phone whenever these images occured. Of course, viewing the photos later on it just looked like a TV or whatever it really was.
 
Ghosts are easy to explain. They occur when the signal takes paths of different lengths (by reflecting from buildings, transmission lines, aircraft, clouds, etc.) to reach the receiver.

Oh, wait! You mean those ghosts? Well, they are easy to explain - they dont exist. The apparition is all in the observer's head.
 
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Oh, wait! You mean those ghosts? Well, they are easy to explain - they dont exist. The apparition is all in the observer's head.
I disagree. Ghosts definitely exist. They're just not the disembodied spirits of dead people. They're normal, mundane phenomena that are difficult to immediately identify. People who believe in ghosts then say that they saw a ghost, but they actually saw a reflection, or a rocking chair that the cat just jumped out of, or something else that definitely wasn't in any way paranormal but they assumed it was.
 
I have a few incidents that my family insists was due to a ghost -specifically, my father’s ghost. He died somewhat unexpectedly at a rather young age 55-got sick, within a week was told he had leukemia complicated by heart disease and died in another couple of weeks.

1) 2 days after his death, my 5 year-old daughter was playing alone in her room and said that my dad’s face appeared on her toy box. He told her something like, “Don’t worry, my angel [what he always called her] I’m ok. I just wanted to say bye”. She ran out and told my wife and I. We hadn’t told her anything about his death so it was a little startling.

2) About two weeks after his death, my mom was taking a nap on her bed. She says she felt my dad’s hand on her shoulder and he said, “Dordy [what he called her], I just wanted you to know that it’s going to be OK. I took care of it. I love you.” When she woke up, she went to check the mail and there were 2 substantial checks from his work; 1 - a paycheck with a hefty final bonus and 2 - a payout from the life insurance provided by his job.

3) My brother went to high school at a school out in the boonies. He went outside to be by himself and cry one day; he took my dad’s death really hard. As he was crying, he swears he heard my dad say, “Aw, Mikey, don’t cry.” And at the same moment, a grey horse wandered over from a nearby ranch, which was significant because my dad loved horse racing and had a weakness for betting on grey horses even if they were terrible bets.

I know intellectually that my dad didn’t come back as a ghost, but I can’t bring myself to argue the point because it gives my family such comfort. But the explanation for these events is pretty simple in my view: Grief and deep emotion. For example: while we didn’t tell my daughter, kids aren’t stupid; they pick up on things. She obviously heard us talking and that’s how she processed it.
 
Ghosts are always situationally dependent. This is the key to understanding why someone believes they saw/heard/felt one. I'll list causes starting from the easiest and obvious first continuing through the more esoteric.

1. Power of Suggestion: A place has a reputation for being haunted and those who experience a ghost are familiar with the stories. Or a building looks "creepy" or seems like it should be haunted. Then there are cases where someone just follows the crowd and talks themselves into believing they've seen a ghost.

2. Hysteria: This one is simple. You hear something moving in the house at 2 a.m. At 2p.m. it's the cat, or the wind knocked something over on the back patio, or heating duct/ plumbing rattling. At 2 a.m. it's either a burglar or the Clown from IT. You grab a baseball bat and search the house and find nothing and go back to your room. Ten minutes later you hear more noise. You've already searched the house and checked the doors and windows. If you are prone to believe in ghosts your mind will always go there first.

3.Cultural Indoctrination and or Peer Pressure: Fact is that there are groups of people who take the existence of ghosts without question. Don't even waste your time trying to argue with them. The other condition comes when someone who has prestige or charisma exposes their belief in ghosts, and those who want to curry favor follow suit without asking questions.

4. Twilight Sleep: This stage is between a waking state and sleeping state where REM is possible without the sleeper's knowledge. 50% of all reported ghosts come during Twilight Sleep.

5. BS: This may come as a shock but some people like to lie for a variety of reasons. Pro Ghost Hunter Tip: if a Bed & Breakfast invites TV ghost hunters to investigate their property there's a 99% chance it ain't haunted.

6. Infrasound: This is the 500-pound gorilla of the Paranormal Experience world. Simply put, this low-frequency sound wave WILL make you feel like you're being watched which leads to hysteria.

This comes out of work done in 1998:

http://www.richardwiseman.com/resources/ghost-in-machine.pdf

These links also explain the phenomenon:

https://science.howstuffworks.com/s...erceptions/infrasound-paranormal-activity.htm

https://curiosity.com/topics/got-a-ghost-problem-it-might-just-be-infrasound-curiosity/

https://gizmodo.com/some-ghosts-may-be-sound-waves-just-below-human-heari-1737065693

This one dovetails with my next point:

https://interestingengineering.com/tuning-ghost-frequency

7. Involuntary Neurological Response to Latent Stimulus: Putting this into English; you have 5 senses that are much more sensitive than we expect. Our 5 senses work in concert to give our brain information about our immediate surroundings. Sometimes this information is inaccurate and can put pictures or sounds in our heads that are not there. A faint change in room temperature, humidity, a faint odor, or a familiar sound can light up parts of your brain. Most of the time your brain does a quick systems check and double check and blows it off. But once in a while your brain will run with it.

Let me explain. There are certain scents that evoke strong emotional responses in people. For example the smell of buttered turkey mixed with mashed potatoes invokes powerful memories of Thanksgiving holidays. A song can come on the radio and I can recall specific events which occurred in my past where that song was on in the background. People often respond negatively to the "Hospital Smell" because nobody goes to the hospital when things are great. Each of these responses come with a cascade of emotions and mental images. The difference is that we're not always aware of the input causing the response.

8. Bad Construction Practices and Poor Construction Materials: My first four paranormal investigations taught me a lot about plumbing and heating. Unsecured pipes will rattle and bang inside walls or against floor beams. In the early 2000's reports of brand new houses being haunted went through the roof with tales of Indian burial grounds and slave cemeteries being desecrated. The truth took a few years but turned out to be devastating: Poisonous Chinese Dry Wall.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114182073

https://www.cpsc.gov/safety-educati...how-can-i-tell-if-my-home-has-problem-drywall

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro...all-causing-home-and-health-hazards/index.htm

The Chinese dry wall signs match up with some big haunted house signs: the smell of sulfur and electric lights turning on and off for no reason. This one came out of the blue and many sleaze-ball ghost hunters took advantage of people.

9. Carbon Monoxide Poisoning: The first thing a good ghost hunter will do is check the CO level in the house. This also falls under poor construction practices but can happen in any home with a gas heater. Over time a person living in a house where CO levels are high will hear voices and sometimes hallucinate. Eventually the CO will kill them but this is dependent on the time of year. Many states now require home owners to by smoke alarms that are also CO detectors.

10. Physiological Changes: Around the time I saw a black hooded figure at the foot of my bed I had become a diabetic and suffered from Sleep Paralysis. Luckily because I was a ghost hunter I knew the image was in my head, but damned if it wasn't impressive anyway. This is when people who didn't believe in ghosts start seeing them. See your doctor and have a comprehensive lab test done.

There are certainly more causes behind why people see ghosts, most of those are related to the effects stress and surprise will have on perception. This is why in crisis situations people tend to focus on random things and relate them to the larger event even though they had nothing to do with the event (we see this with conspiracy theories but this has also put innocent people in prison as well).

What I'm waiting on is research about how smart phones are effecting human perception and reasoning abilities. The rise of reported hauntings seems to merge with the introduction of the smart phone and I'm betting there is a direct link.

I'll end with this. The thing that changed my mind about ghosts is the fact that the most common ghost is that of a still-living person. I've lost count of how many people swear that they heard their wife, husband, child, or sibling somewhere in the house only to discover they were not there. The only solution to this event was that it was all in that person's mind. The fact that it was real to them suggests that sounds and smells can create a false impression because the sounds and smells are familiar coming from an expected place. Your imagination does the rest.
 
AmyW, no one has yet demonstrated that there are any supernatural things or phenomena.

Please examine your reasons for wanting them to be real. Understanding those reasons might be beneficial to you.

I don't want them to be real is the truth of it :-)
 
Le sigh. Here are a pair of ghosts photographed in my hallway.

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/XoWNj1E.jpg[/qimg]

Real? Or fake? No CGI involved it that pic. Can you explain it? I can because I took it. Can you?

I'll take a guess of Pepper's ghost in that pic. Right or wrong?
 
If by 'truly exist' you mean exists as much as my imaginary madras curry that i'm drooling over, even though it's not real, then yeah it truly exists.

There's no evidence that ghosts exist, in the sense of having an existence.

People seeing ghosts is a real phenomenon yeah, that doesn't mean ghosts truly exist. If it does then my imaginary madras curry truly exists too. I drooled after all.

How does your imaginary curry exist and also not exist? (I'd insert the confused smile but using Tapatalk and it doesn't exist in tapatalk)
 
Good morning AmyW. A little late for this but, Welcome to the forum. I see that many books have been suggested to you, and you seem willing to explore them. Here are two that I would recommend since you are asking questions on a variety of topics. Here are two very easy reads that cover a wide range of topics. Michael Shermer's "Why People Believe Weird Things" and Carl Sagan's "The Demon Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the Dark". Both touch on topics like psychic, ghosts, faith healers, and several other beliefs that make us feel good but not necessarily have a basis in reality.
ETA: Whether we want something to be real or not has nothing to do with reality.
 
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Good morning.
Real or fake isn't the question. The picture is real. What it depicts is another story. Double exposure is an easy explanation. Staged or not is another story. People run across this from time to time with cameras that use film. Digital have their own issues.
Le sigh. Here are a pair of ghosts photographed in my hallway.

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/XoWNj1E.jpg[/qimg]

Real? Or fake? No CGI involved it that pic. Can you explain it? I can because I took it. Can you?

 
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Good morning AmyW. A little late for this but, Welcome to the forum. I see that many books have been suggested to you, and you seem willing to explore them. Here are two that I would recommend since you are asking questions on a variety of topics. Here are two very easy reads that cover a wide range of topics. Michael Shermer's "Why People Believe Weird Things" and Carl Sagan's "The Demon Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the Dark". Both touch on topics like psychic, ghosts, faith healers, and several other beliefs that make us feel good but not necessarily have a basis in reality.
ETA: Whether we want something to be real or not has nothing to do with reality.

Good afternoon and thank you for the welcome :-) will these books help me to debunk the whole spirituality :-) I do hope so
 
My point: You make the effort to quantify what it is then. I found an odd electrical field out hiking in basically nowhere and brought an EF reader out there in that pursuit, the field is in fact there, and after crunching possibilties most of them although sorta strange, are naturally occuring:

Magnetic or similar ore
Certain facets of the pollination cycle
An underground spring

all come up after some googlish detective work.

Thats my point. Not conjecture, an attempt to confirm the nature of that weird thing.

Which is, again, exactly what I said.
 
I remember an article from an old Skeptical Inquirer issue years ago.

Groups of people were to spend the night in an old inn or some-such... If the group was told beforehand that the place was haunted, inevitably someone would report some sort of “phenomena”.
However, if the next group was not so informed... No ghosts.

We have a building on campus that’s long been felt to be haunted, and one of our officers absolutely refused to go in there at night.....
 
I remember an article from an old Skeptical Inquirer issue years ago.

Groups of people were to spend the night in an old inn or some-such... If the group was told beforehand that the place was haunted, inevitably someone would report some sort of “phenomena”.
However, if the next group was not so informed... No ghosts.

We have a building on campus that’s long been felt to be haunted, and one of our officers absolutely refused to go in there at night.....

That's so interesting. It's like self fulfilling prophesy isn't it
 

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