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Homeopathy challenge question

brodski said:
but remember homeopathic preparations are meant to have the opposite effect to the base substance.
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Yes, but only if you already suffer from the symptoms. The drugs would work just like in proving and induce the regular symptoms.

so, so for instance heroin 20C would cause you a massive amount of pain (as heroin is a pain killer) maybe
LSD 20C would make you see things exactly as they are.
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You just doubled my sales: If you take the first shot, you'll get your high, the second shot should make you sober again.

I'll let you know when your first check is ready.

Perhaps coffee 200C will get you drunk tough, or maybe act as a sleeping tablet.
:p
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I see the possibilities are endless. Really makes you wonder why the silly homoeopaths limit themselves to curing sick people. A noble cause, and I will not fault them for it, of course, but they could be doing so much more, and at the same time convince so many more people of their abilities.

Rasmus.
 
You don't even have to do anything illegal. In many contries, you can buy and carry around narcotics in small amounts for personal consumption. Then just dilute it beyond Avogadro's limit before crossing any borders. :)

However, in Norway, the last part of your scheme is illegal. You can not sell home-made homeopathic remedies here.
 
Ririon said:
You don't even have to do anything illegal. In many contries, you can buy and carry around narcotics in small amounts for personal consumption. Then just dilute it beyond Avogadro's limit before crossing any borders. :)
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True. I was assuming that buying even small quantities with the intention of selling them further would be illegal. not that they would ever find out or go after me, of course.

However, in Norway, the last part of your scheme is illegal. You can not sell home-made homeopathic remedies here.
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It wouldn't be a "remedy", would it? Also, I could turn into a proper buisness with a proper lab.

Rasmus.
 
Rasmus said:
True. I was assuming that buying even small quantities with the intention of selling them further would be illegal. not that they would ever find out or go after me, of course.
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You are not going to sell as much as a microgram of it, are you? ;)

It wouldn't be a "remedy", would it? Also, I could turn into a proper buisness with a proper lab.

Rasmus.
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As long as you are going for an industrial scale "world domination"-style, you have to do that anyway. :)
 
Ririon said:
You are not going to sell as much as a microgram of it, are you? ;)
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Well, in fact, I will be selling as much as a handful of individual molecules, deluted in gallons of water at a time. So I will probably end up selling all of my original stock.

As long as you are going for an industrial scale "world domination"-style, you have to do that anyway. :)
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Right. then i will start delivering in Norway as soon as things kick of the ground and I can afford the labs and everything.

Rasmus.
 
Rasmus said:
Yes, but only if you already suffer from the symptoms. The drugs would work just like in proving and induce the regular symptoms.



You just doubled my sales: If you take the first shot, you'll get your high, the second shot should make you sober again.

I'll let you know when your first check is ready.



I see the possibilities are endless. Really makes you wonder why the silly homoeopaths limit themselves to curing sick people. A noble cause, and I will not fault them for it, of course, but they could be doing so much more, and at the same time convince so many more people of their abilities.

Rasmus.
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I see you've got this all worked out, do you need a business partner? :D
 
Rasmus said:
Well, in fact, I will be selling as much as a handful of individual molecules, deluted in gallons of water at a time. So I will probably end up selling all of my original stock...
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At 200C? I think you should redo your math... I would be surprised if you sold a single heroin molecule in your lifetime. :D

The ONLY problem with this plan is that the average miserable homeless drug addict knows more about biochemistry, medicine, dosages and the effect of any drug on the human body than all the homeopaths in Pakistan put together.:(
 
Huntsman said:
Well, to be fair, so does the average miniature poodle.
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True. "Pakistan" should be "the world." Drug addicts usually know a lot about these subjects. So do a few homeopaths in the western world. They just ignore large parts of that knowledge. "The world" should be about right. :rolleyes:
 
How do you prepare a 200C solution of anything? If you start with one micro gram of the drug you would need 10 power 188 Tonnes (that is a number with 1 followed by 188 zeros) of solvent to dissolve it all.
If you dilute the drug by 1000 each time you would need to repeat the dilution 10 power 198 times, just to get one result.

These figures cannot be right! Can someone please check them.

I assume 2C = 100 dilutions?
 
Mojo said:
Provings are carried out using the actual "remedy" rather than the crude substance it is prepared from. See here, for example: Note that they are talking about a "potentised agent", not the crude substance.

See also here, where Homeopath Syed is describing the horrendous symptoms allegedly produced by a 200c remedy.
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Those sucks! That's not the way Hahnemann did it.
 
rjh01 said:
How do you prepare a 200C solution of anything? If you start with one micro gram of the drug you would need 10 power 188 Tonnes (that is a number with 1 followed by 188 zeros) of solvent to dissolve it all.
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Simple: You don't dissolve it all.
 
rjh01 said:
How do you prepare a 200C solution of anything? If you start with one micro gram of the drug you would need 10 power 188 Tonnes (that is a number with 1 followed by 188 zeros) of solvent to dissolve it all.
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You use serial dilutions where you throw out 99 parts in the drain at every stage.
 
And it is this very process that confuses the heck out of the homeopaths. They naively calculate that the sum of the discards from each step of a serial dilution constitutes the overall dilution factor. For example, after 10 dilutions at 1:10, they reckon that the end dilution ratio is (10*9):1, or 90:1. The reality is that it is 1010:1, or 10,000,000,000:1 It gets worse, believe me. Their maths abilities are remarkably weak...
 
Rasmus said:
Not to mention, of course, that rational people fail to see harm in letting people consume water.
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I once suggested in a Bulgarian homeopathy forum that "prooving" a medicine in its dilluted form would be impossible. I bought a vial of pills of an unknown medicine, so that I would be blind to the symptoms. Nothing unusial from taking it. Now, had I known the symptoms, I might have bet I experienced some of them (vague things like weight in the head- who doesn't have it when working with a computer the whole day...). Then I innocently suggested that I try the medicine on my brother (unknown to him) and see if he shrivels up. Well, I was told I'd be banned from the forum for "unethical experiments with other people". But it comes to show that many homeo-fans believe a dramatic show of symptoms may result in taking a medicine dilluted to 200C. I still wonder why nobody wanted the million with so easy a way of proving homeopathy has a measurable effect...
 
This has often been done as a publicity stunt by skeptics, including a number of very public "suicide attempts" by them using whole bottles each of homeopathic sleeping pillules.*

The homeopaths were aghast! Thought there would be bodies littering the streets! Result: Some mild sugar-highs only, no changes otherwise noted.


*NOT recommended to be done using unlicensed homeopathic products, because some of the more unscrupulous H. manufacturers have been known to secretly adulterate their stuff with generous portions of "real" medications to make them actually do domething.
 
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