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Mr.Hans,
It is ok. It depends on 'what science can test as of now' & accept those which is ok in their sense. Can we take it granted that whatever CMS accept or clear by thier so much testings, conventionals or alternatives--are 'THEIR ABSOLUTES'?
Moreover, whatever CMS could not yet test/know, but are alike 'ABSOLUTES' in/of other systems can't be straightaway rejected?
It is ok. It depends on 'what science can test as of now' & accept those which is ok in their sense. Can we take it granted that whatever CMS accept or clear by thier so much testings, conventionals or alternatives--are 'THEIR ABSOLUTES'?
Moreover, whatever CMS could not yet test/know, but are alike 'ABSOLUTES' in/of other systems can't be straightaway rejected?
Sarah-I said:
Patient: "I want you to know I'm not here because I believe in this animal-torturing, old white European male-dominated misogynistic, linear-thinking, stuck-in-the-science-paradigm, military-medical-industrial complex you call allopathic medicine. I just want you to cure me of hypochondria without use of unnatural chemicals that may have any side effects whatsoever. But I want that only after you have spent at least an hour with me doing a completely holistic workup on my life history. Oh, and I will charge you with sexual assault if you so much as brush against me in the wrong place. Do you understand these demands, "Doctor?"
Doctor : (walks away, shaking head)
Patient: "See? None of them are interested. Not one!"
That is not what I ever go to a doctor for. If I wanted an hour long consultation, I would just go and see my homeopath instead. However, on the very rare occassions that I do go and consult a doctor, I do expect them to listen to me. The last time I did go and see one was when I returned from France. This guy tried to tell me that I had scabies and started writing a prescription for scabies treatment. When I asked him some straight questions about his diagnosis, he started contradicting himself with everything that he said, which is why I got up and walked out in disgust. I have never been back to see him since.
I did go back and see the regular doctor after this incident and when I told him what had happened, he sat there and laughed and told me that of course I never had scabies in the first place.
I went to see my homeopath in the end who gave me the appropriate treatment.
I did go back and see the regular doctor after this incident and when I told him what had happened, he sat there and laughed and told me that of course I never had scabies in the first place.
I went to see my homeopath in the end who gave me the appropriate treatment.
Sarah-I said:
Sarah-I - you appear to be contradicting yourself with this anecdote.
You say "The last time I did go and see one was when..." but then later on say "I did go back and see the regular doctor after this incident ..."?
Which statement is the accurate one?
No contradiction at all.
I tried to make an appointment with my regular doctor when I returned from France, but unfortunately, he was away on holiday at the time. I felt that I needed to see someone, so I made an appointment to see one of his colleagues whom I had never before and I wish I hadn't really. I did go and see him and was so disgusted with his misdiagnosis and treatment generally that I walked out in disgust.
I rang again to make another appointment with my regular doctor the following week when he returned from holiday. I went to see him and told him what had happened and he said that my skin problems were not in fact scabies at all, but were due to something else.
Follwing this episode, which was sometime ago now, I have not seen a doctor since.
I tried to make an appointment with my regular doctor when I returned from France, but unfortunately, he was away on holiday at the time. I felt that I needed to see someone, so I made an appointment to see one of his colleagues whom I had never before and I wish I hadn't really. I did go and see him and was so disgusted with his misdiagnosis and treatment generally that I walked out in disgust.
I rang again to make another appointment with my regular doctor the following week when he returned from holiday. I went to see him and told him what had happened and he said that my skin problems were not in fact scabies at all, but were due to something else.
Follwing this episode, which was sometime ago now, I have not seen a doctor since.
It may have simply been a misstatement, but you seem to miss the contradiction. "The last time I did go and see [a doctor]..." referred to your second-to-last visit, according to your story. That is the contradiction.Sarah-I said:
Fascinatingly, though, there is a hidden contradiction here also. Apparently you have some, perhaps unconcsious, agreement with us that homeopaths are not doctors, unless you've also sworn off homeopaths.
Chris Haynes
Perfectly Poisonous Person
Sarah-I said:
This made me curious as to WHAT physiological effect miasms have... and how they have been studied, particularly the psora type.
So I did some checking around where papers that would deal with these issues would be chronicled, PubMed.
First I was a bit offbase and used the singular form "miasm", and got exactly ONE paper:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11934908
Well, that was interesting.... but not what I was looking for. So I figured I used the wrong word and put in "miasms". This popped up a grand total of SIX hits, all from homeopathic related journals (they DO get indexed in PubMed). But they were either tutorials or editorials... none were research paper. Though this one was interesting, even if it is just a title:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12989712
Okay, that was the wrong road... so I put in the word "psora" and got just FIVE... but only two were related to homeopathy ("psora" has in other languages a real medical meaning). One was a "review, editorial, tutorial", not really a research paper... and the other one was just interesting:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10566183
Well, it seemed interesting... but obviously "miasms" is just a made up concept with no foundation in reality. I do understand that there are inherited tendency in many diseases... I am not the only person in my family who has allergies, plus the hypertrophic cardiomyopathy my son has in genetic (and as of yet, despite many attempts NO one has answered my questions about how or how well homeopathy would work on that).
HC,
Perhaps the only material that you will find on the miasms would be in the homeopathic literature and also Hahnemann's Chronic Diseases, the Theoretical Part.
However, the miasms do relate to actual diseases, with Psora, also known as the 'itch' relating to scabies, Sycosis being gonorrhoea and Syphilis being Syphilis.
I will answer your question and with all honesty, I really do not know how well hypertrophic cardiomyopathy would respond to homeopathic treatment. I am not sure whether anyone has ever tried treating people with it. I do know how serious this is and I do know that modern medicine can control the syptoms with drugs and there are surgical interventions that can be performed if needed. I did care for a young man with this on a ward that I worked on some years ago now. He was only in his early 20's and was not doing very well at all. Having said that, I am sure some of the treatments have come a long way since then. I sincerely hope that you son does ok.
I have to say that perhaps homeopathy may not help. There may be too much pathological damage and the fact that it also genetically inherited.
Bill,
I was not intentionally being contradictary, but I think that if you had looked back at some of my previous posts on the subject where I was discussing the same subject with Hans, I think I did say that I tried to see the regular doctor first, could not, so saw his colleague and then returned to see him when he returned from holiday to confirm the original misdiagnosis. Ok, so it was twice then, but nothing since.
It is perfectly correct to say that not all homeopaths are doctors. I would not hesitate to go and see a doctor if I felt I needed to though.
I am not saying anything against homeopaths either.
Perhaps the only material that you will find on the miasms would be in the homeopathic literature and also Hahnemann's Chronic Diseases, the Theoretical Part.
However, the miasms do relate to actual diseases, with Psora, also known as the 'itch' relating to scabies, Sycosis being gonorrhoea and Syphilis being Syphilis.
I will answer your question and with all honesty, I really do not know how well hypertrophic cardiomyopathy would respond to homeopathic treatment. I am not sure whether anyone has ever tried treating people with it. I do know how serious this is and I do know that modern medicine can control the syptoms with drugs and there are surgical interventions that can be performed if needed. I did care for a young man with this on a ward that I worked on some years ago now. He was only in his early 20's and was not doing very well at all. Having said that, I am sure some of the treatments have come a long way since then. I sincerely hope that you son does ok.
I have to say that perhaps homeopathy may not help. There may be too much pathological damage and the fact that it also genetically inherited.
Bill,
I was not intentionally being contradictary, but I think that if you had looked back at some of my previous posts on the subject where I was discussing the same subject with Hans, I think I did say that I tried to see the regular doctor first, could not, so saw his colleague and then returned to see him when he returned from holiday to confirm the original misdiagnosis. Ok, so it was twice then, but nothing since.
It is perfectly correct to say that not all homeopaths are doctors. I would not hesitate to go and see a doctor if I felt I needed to though.
I am not saying anything against homeopaths either.
I think I went to see my homeopath about once since that time, but I have not needed to otherwise.
I think good diet and regular exercise can help an enormous amount in helping to keep healthy and stay healthy. I used to run quite a lot, but now I enjoy cycling and swimming more.
I think good diet and regular exercise can help an enormous amount in helping to keep healthy and stay healthy. I used to run quite a lot, but now I enjoy cycling and swimming more.
Chris Haynes
Perfectly Poisonous Person
Sarah-I said:
Here is what so interesting about your first paragraph... the PubMed DOES index homeopathic journals! And several of the papers that popped up were from Homeopathic journals...
and there was NO evidence in any of them to suggest miasms were any more than a figment of someone's imagination.
There are lots of research in real diseases, including the "itch" of psoriasis (which one paper was about). There are many things that cause itch... and not all of them are scabies. There has been lots of research into what causes disease... including more recent relevations that show bits and pieces of chromosomal material changing and moving in bacteria, or that syphillis has changed over the years and its relationship with yaws... much more evidence than miasms exist... I plug in the word "chromosomal" in PubMed and I get 62537 papers... which makes the research into miasms kind of pitiful in comparison.
Well, because miasm may have been an okay way to explain disease BEFORE medical research figured out that bacteria or viruses or even protozoa were involved....
... but now it is known (even by the guy who wrote the paper in 1952 for the Hahnemannian Journal) that miasms are just a figment, and do not adequately explain disease or illness.
Now if you could actually point to some real research that they do exist... go for it.
Bill,
Why don't you just try and read what I have actually written rather than trying to assume things which just are not there?
I have not 'shunned' as you put it doctors or homeopaths at all. The reason I have not been to see a doctor or a homeopath for so long is that I have not needed to. I have had no reason to go and see anyone for any reason at all, as my health has been extremely good.
If I did become unwell for any reason, then I most certainly would go and see a doctor or a homeopath.
I do not treat myself either. If I need treatment, I would go to see my homeopath.
My treatment is acually to ensure that I get enough exercise and to eat a well balanced diet with plenty of fruit and vegetables.
Zombified,
Thank you for that and you may just have a valid point there.
HC,
As I said before, you will not find any research on the miasms. You will find plenty of things about miasms in homeopathic text books. Hahnemann's Organon for one and then his Chronic Diseases, the Theoretical Part. Other homeopaths have written widely on this, such as Sankaran and J H Allen The Chromic Miasms.
As I also said before, the miasms do relate to sepecific diseases with Psora, being the itch of scabies, Sycosis referring to gonorrhoea and syphilis referring to syphilis. There is also the Tubercular miasm, which results from both Psora and Syphilis together and this is related to the disease of TB.
It is my view that the miasms can be seen as a useful framework to be used in case analysis. When a chronic case is taken it is analysed before possible remedies are identified. As case is also analysed miasmatically too to see whether symptoms fit into patterns.
Why don't you just try and read what I have actually written rather than trying to assume things which just are not there?
I have not 'shunned' as you put it doctors or homeopaths at all. The reason I have not been to see a doctor or a homeopath for so long is that I have not needed to. I have had no reason to go and see anyone for any reason at all, as my health has been extremely good.
If I did become unwell for any reason, then I most certainly would go and see a doctor or a homeopath.
I do not treat myself either. If I need treatment, I would go to see my homeopath.
My treatment is acually to ensure that I get enough exercise and to eat a well balanced diet with plenty of fruit and vegetables.
Zombified,
Thank you for that and you may just have a valid point there.
HC,
As I said before, you will not find any research on the miasms. You will find plenty of things about miasms in homeopathic text books. Hahnemann's Organon for one and then his Chronic Diseases, the Theoretical Part. Other homeopaths have written widely on this, such as Sankaran and J H Allen The Chromic Miasms.
As I also said before, the miasms do relate to sepecific diseases with Psora, being the itch of scabies, Sycosis referring to gonorrhoea and syphilis referring to syphilis. There is also the Tubercular miasm, which results from both Psora and Syphilis together and this is related to the disease of TB.
It is my view that the miasms can be seen as a useful framework to be used in case analysis. When a chronic case is taken it is analysed before possible remedies are identified. As case is also analysed miasmatically too to see whether symptoms fit into patterns.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Since I can't seem to get Barb to address this point, maybe you'd like to give it a go. If you yourself experienced the symptoms detailed in the Addison's case history (I'm sure you remember it very wellSarah-I said:
but if you don't remember follow the link in my sig), would you go to a doctor or to a homoeopath? What would you expect a competent homoeopath to do with a patient presenting with these symptoms?Rolfe.
Rolfe,
I would go and see my homeopath first and then if I did need to go and see my doctor, then I would do so.
I would expect any well trained lay homeopath to be able to spot 'red flag' symptoms. When you first start the consultation, a homeopath will ask you what your presenting complaint is and you would be questioned about this in detail, with questoins such as how long have you had it for, when did it first start, where is the location of any pain, is there anything that makes it better or worse and things such as this and also a lot more and a lot more in depth too.
I would also expect a homeopath to be able to carry out a simple physical exam if necessary, such as taking blood pressure, listening to the heart and lungs, looking in the ears and down the throat and taking the pulse.
If a homeopath had any concerns after this, they do not mess about, but in an emergency would refer a patient straight to the nearest A and E department or would tell a patient to go and see their doctor and then come back for another consultation at a later date. They would also send a letter to the patient's GP, with their permission of course, informing them of their concerns and findings on both their questioning and examination.
Does that answer your question well enough?
I would go and see my homeopath first and then if I did need to go and see my doctor, then I would do so.
I would expect any well trained lay homeopath to be able to spot 'red flag' symptoms. When you first start the consultation, a homeopath will ask you what your presenting complaint is and you would be questioned about this in detail, with questoins such as how long have you had it for, when did it first start, where is the location of any pain, is there anything that makes it better or worse and things such as this and also a lot more and a lot more in depth too.
I would also expect a homeopath to be able to carry out a simple physical exam if necessary, such as taking blood pressure, listening to the heart and lungs, looking in the ears and down the throat and taking the pulse.
If a homeopath had any concerns after this, they do not mess about, but in an emergency would refer a patient straight to the nearest A and E department or would tell a patient to go and see their doctor and then come back for another consultation at a later date. They would also send a letter to the patient's GP, with their permission of course, informing them of their concerns and findings on both their questioning and examination.
Does that answer your question well enough?
Oh, but I did read every word you wrote, and stand ready to quote them back to you:Sarah-I said:
Now there you are, Sarah, ragging on doctors. I mean by that, of course, evidence-based practitioners of human medicine. This rant is typical of what we get from the homeo crowd: Doctors = BAD.
This was in response to geni's comment that his experience with Doctors has been dramatically different from your tale. So now, you add some color to the tale.
Now, this anecdote was in response to my imaginary scene of the true believer vs. the doctor. Here you spell out the homeopath versus real doctor trade-off, from your strange point of view. What it amounts to is the claim that the homeopath got the job done that Doc 1 mangled so badly that Doc 2 laughed. Wow, Sarah, these evil Docs just laugh and laugh and give you bizarre advice. No wonder you fled into the welcoming arms of HOMAYO, man of homeopathic steel!
But here is where you set the stage for us. This incident, you claim, was so utterly bad and left you so utterly disgusted with real Docs, you haven't been back since. That is how grossly incompetent, grossly inconsiderate and grossly indifferent Real Docs are!
The natural inference you wished us to draw from this tale was that it has been a significant period of time since you last saw a Real Doc.
What do you mean, you "think," Sarah, you specifically wrote that you went directly to the homeopath at the time of this incident. So, do you now think you did so, or think you did so since then?
But wait, Sarah, it matters not, for you have totally undercut the significance of your tale. You have only been to a homeopath once during this period, and real doctors never. One versus zero. How significant a tale do you think this is, then Sarah? It seems you just don't see anybody for your ailments or that you haven't any ailments, which of course, is the point of your nutritional red herring.
Sarah, either the time has not been very significant or your use of any medical treatment professionals is very low. Whichever is the case, I am terribly underwhelmed by the difference between 1 and 0, frankly, and can easily attribute it to any number of things other than your claim that Docs are so freakin' incompetent.
This whole little goat trail reminds up of that sap from Monty Python who, in trying to prove she was a witch, blurts out "She turned me into a Newt!" The crowd stares back. "I got betta," he lamely explains.
"They're so disgusting I haven't been to a doctor since." The crowd stares back. "I've only been to a homeoquack once," she lamely explains.