Sarah-I said:
I didn’t think I was being childish - my questions were very serious. They are the type of questions I would ask any professional before I engaged their services. Whether that be a new doctor, a new solicitor or a new car mechanic.
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I didn’t think I was being childish - my questions were very serious. They are the type of questions I would ask any professional before I engaged their services. Whether that be a new doctor, a new solicitor or a new car mechanic.
Your above views holds much weight. Frankly, I recently studied few allopathic basic medicines eg. antacids on this basis & found lot of sense in the same. I therefore previously mentioned: Mistakes in prescribing not in medicines.MRC_Hans said:
Darat,
I did not mean that you were being childish and I think that your question was very good and sensible.
Zep,
I realise that perhaps you meant that in a 'tongue in cheek' kind of way.
Hans,
I am afraid that most doctors in the UK do not offer lifestyle or nutritional advice either. Most doctors here will be writing a prescription before you have even walked through the door. This is especially the case if you go and see an NHS GP. However, if you are prepared to pay to see a private GP, then it is a lot better, as they have a lot more time to spend with you.
This has been my experience anyway and I just happened to be very lucky at times when I needed it. I found a GP privately at a clinic where I had acupuncture treatment and he has turned out to be great. I did once see his colleague when he was away on holiday and he was not good at all, so I think perhaps it is the luck of the drawer.
I did not mean that you were being childish and I think that your question was very good and sensible.
Zep,
I realise that perhaps you meant that in a 'tongue in cheek' kind of way.
Hans,
I am afraid that most doctors in the UK do not offer lifestyle or nutritional advice either. Most doctors here will be writing a prescription before you have even walked through the door. This is especially the case if you go and see an NHS GP. However, if you are prepared to pay to see a private GP, then it is a lot better, as they have a lot more time to spend with you.
This has been my experience anyway and I just happened to be very lucky at times when I needed it. I found a GP privately at a clinic where I had acupuncture treatment and he has turned out to be great. I did once see his colleague when he was away on holiday and he was not good at all, so I think perhaps it is the luck of the drawer.
Darat,
Just to follow on from what Kumar has posted. If a patient comes with a physical complaint and an examination is appropriate, then this will be done. I have been in clinic where I have taken a patient's blood pressure. Also, if a patient complains of skin rashes, then one would always look at these.
We had an 'acute', where a patient came in with a sore throat and swollen glands, so we looked down the throat and felt all around the cervical glands.
If it was felt appropriate to palpate someone's abdomen, then this would also be done, however, it is sufficient at times to obtain an exact description of where the pain is, what it is like, when it occurs time wise and if there are things that make it better or worse, that would be more helpful.
Just to follow on from what Kumar has posted. If a patient comes with a physical complaint and an examination is appropriate, then this will be done. I have been in clinic where I have taken a patient's blood pressure. Also, if a patient complains of skin rashes, then one would always look at these.
We had an 'acute', where a patient came in with a sore throat and swollen glands, so we looked down the throat and felt all around the cervical glands.
If it was felt appropriate to palpate someone's abdomen, then this would also be done, however, it is sufficient at times to obtain an exact description of where the pain is, what it is like, when it occurs time wise and if there are things that make it better or worse, that would be more helpful.
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Well, obviously, I cannot speak about UK doctors. However, I have noticed many homeopathss claim this, and I suspect it could be a question of attitude. If you don't expect anything but a prescription dispenser, that is what you get, but if you ask questions, you get answers.
All this is tangential to this discussion, however. No matter what the possible downfalls of conventional medicine may be, that is no support for homeopathy, as a system of cure.
Hans
All this is tangential to this discussion, however. No matter what the possible downfalls of conventional medicine may be, that is no support for homeopathy, as a system of cure.
Hans
Sarah-I said:
All treatments may be anticipated & probaby subject to 'You also know/should know something' as lot of involvements of prescribers. So many 'medical informations" is therefore been provided in litretures & on internet to understand treatments. Frankly, I benefit a lot by taking it like this. Lot of involvements can lead to mistakes in prescription inspite of fact that medicines are correct.
Sarah-I said:
And my experience has been the exact opposite, from inner city GP practices to my current semi-rural practice my doctors have advised on diet, exercise, counselled on reducing stress and so on. This is what my current GP offers (via the practice) and this is less then my previous inner-city GP surgery offered.)
* Ante natal clinic
* Asthma clinic
* Diabetes clinic
* Family planning clinic
* Mother and baby clinic
* Well man clinic
* Well woman clinic
child health surveillance (CHS)
- contraceptives - own
- home delivery
- hospital delivery
- minor surgery
- obstetric list
- IUDs
Plus there is a nutritionist and a counsellor on staff.
I consider that a huge range of expertise ready to treat and help me with an immense range of problems, from emotional to physical they seem to have it all covered.
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How do you take their blood pressure (e.g. what equipment, what technique) and how do you use that information in your diagnosis?
What was you looking for? And how did you know what to look for? How did you use the results in your diagnosis?
Have you considered appendicitis? How would you diagnose that?
Hans,
I do not go to doctors looking for prescriptions. I have tried to question some GP's, but have found their answers to be totally inadequate. For instance, I returned from helping on a week long pilgrimage to Lourdes in France one year and was quite unwell with stomach and skin problems. I tried to make an appointment to see this private doctor, but he was away at the time, so I saw his colleague instead. On seeing his colleague, he tried to tell me that I had scabies and that some dry skin on my hand was evidence of burrowing. I then proceeded to ask him some questions and he went onto totally contradict himself in just about everything the he said, so I got up and walked out in disgust.
I made another appointment to see the other doctor when he returned from holiday and when I told him what had happened, he just laughed and told me that of course I did not have scabies.
I do not go to doctors looking for prescriptions. I have tried to question some GP's, but have found their answers to be totally inadequate. For instance, I returned from helping on a week long pilgrimage to Lourdes in France one year and was quite unwell with stomach and skin problems. I tried to make an appointment to see this private doctor, but he was away at the time, so I saw his colleague instead. On seeing his colleague, he tried to tell me that I had scabies and that some dry skin on my hand was evidence of burrowing. I then proceeded to ask him some questions and he went onto totally contradict himself in just about everything the he said, so I got up and walked out in disgust.
I made another appointment to see the other doctor when he returned from holiday and when I told him what had happened, he just laughed and told me that of course I did not have scabies.
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Note this post. From one who can herself be quite "childish" when she feels like having a go at the sceptics.Sarah-I said:
Lots of very pertinent and searching questions get asked. By several people. Then one person makes a remark which is a bit facetious. This is jumped on and criticised and used as displacement tactics to avoid addressing any of the questions. They all do it. All the time.
Not that they're going to adress the questions anyway, but it gets more difficult for them to post something if they don't have a smart-aleck remark to object to in lieu of facing up to the issues. When denied a snippy comment to object to, Sarah will simply have to return to posting unsupported assertions which do nothing at all to address the issues, and telling us to listen to all her mates' unsupported assertions.
Sarah, what about that idea of showing that a group of people who got their prescribed homoeopathic remedy had a significantly better chance of recovery than a comparable group who only thought they'd been given their remedy? That's the one we're all waiting for to validate all these assertions of yours.
Well, that and someone showing that they can reliably differentiate a remedy of their own choice from the chemically-identical carrier material, any way at all.
You can make all the blind assertions you like about miasms (which may or may not exist even according to homoeopaths) or treating the whole patient or even knowing how to use a sphygmomanometer, until you can come up with something in one of these two areas, you're simply blowing hot air.
Rolfe.
You talk & favour most of 'current medical system' & rejects or contradict most of other systems esp. homeopathy, TRS etc.
Let us understand 'ABSOLUTENESS IN CMS??' in new topic I am posting.
These 'Other systems' have some persistance in their theory,principles & healing substances since absoluteness
Let us understand 'ABSOLUTENESS IN CMS??' in new topic I am posting.
These 'Other systems' have some persistance in their theory,principles & healing substances since absoluteness
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Basically, that is not correct, Kumar. We favor systems that have evidence showing for them and reject systems that have not. In practice, this does generally mean that we accept conventional systems and reject "alternative" ones, but this is only because of their respective evidence backing.
A lot of alternative medicines are in fact accepted and recognized by science. A considerable fraction of mainstream medicines, especially among the older ones, started out as alternative meds. They were discovered to work and added to the array of conventional medicines. Those that didn't make it are still alternative.
If you buy into the oft-told tale that "science does not want to touch alternative methods" for this and that reason, you are naive. There is big money to be made on effective drugs, and pharmaceutical companies don't give a hoot about the origin of their drugs, as long as they sell.
I can guarantee you that your homeopathic remedies, tissue salts, and whatever HAVE been tested. The only reason it does not now say "Bayer", or something like it, on that label is that they found it uninteresting.
Hans
A lot of alternative medicines are in fact accepted and recognized by science. A considerable fraction of mainstream medicines, especially among the older ones, started out as alternative meds. They were discovered to work and added to the array of conventional medicines. Those that didn't make it are still alternative.
If you buy into the oft-told tale that "science does not want to touch alternative methods" for this and that reason, you are naive. There is big money to be made on effective drugs, and pharmaceutical companies don't give a hoot about the origin of their drugs, as long as they sell.
I can guarantee you that your homeopathic remedies, tissue salts, and whatever HAVE been tested. The only reason it does not now say "Bayer", or something like it, on that label is that they found it uninteresting.
Hans
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