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Sarah-I said:
Rolfe,

Psora is a Miasm and remedies have a physiological effect on the body.
Unfounded statements.

Please provide evidence that Psoras and miasms exist, and that rmedies have a physiological effect.

Hans
 
Hans,

Psora is one of the three miasms that Hahnemann discovered, so your question is incorrect in as much as you should be asking Do Miasms exist?

Most homeopaths think that they do and when they analyse their cases they analyse them miasmatically too. However, some homeopaths do not consider that miams exist at all.

Miasms are your genetic susceptibility to chronic disease if you like and it is extremely useful to analyse cases miasmatically too, so you can see what patients' have tendencies towards.

There is a very good discussion taking place at present on Hpathy between fitness1st and Dr Leela. You would all benefit from reading her postings. They are full of good information about homeopathy from a practitioner of at least 15 years standing.
 
Sarah-I said:
Miasms are your genetic susceptibility to chronic disease if you like ....
I think that's where I came in.

NO THEY BLOODY WELL AREN'T! Neither is the vital force the immune system.

Please stop this ridiculous habit of adopting scientific discoveries and then claiming that this was what Hahnemann was talking about. Hanhnemann knew nothing at all about genetics, or immunity, and his ideas had nothing at all to do with these later-discovered facts.

Well, Sarah, if that's what you want us to call you this time, you do have some respectable knowledge of basic biology. Can you explain how you reconcile this knowledge with your belief that magic sugar pills are physiologically active? I'd like details, please.

Rolfe.
 
Sarah-I said:
Miasms are your genetic susceptibility to chronic disease if you like and it is extremely useful to analyse cases miasmatically too, so you can see what patients' have tendencies towards.

Piddle. When did Hahneman do his "work," such as it was? When did Mendel? When did Watson and Crick?
 
By looking at the miasmatic picture of a patient and their miasmatic background, a practitioner can tell the kinds of things that could be likely to manifest in them.

Why not go and look at the Hpathy site? www.hpathy.com Look under the case discussion forum and you will see that Dr Leela has an interesting discussion going at present on miasmatic prescribing.
 
Sarah-I said:
Hans,

Psora is one of the three miasms that Hahnemann discovered, so your question is incorrect in as much as you should be asking Do Miasms exist?

I know that. As it happens, I have read Hahnemann. Hahnemann did not disciver miasms, he theorized them. Do you have evedence to support his theory?

Most homeopaths think that they do and when they analyse their cases they analyse them miasmatically too. However, some homeopaths do not consider that miams exist at all.

Yes, I notice how much in disagreement you really are. Anyhow, "think that they do" does not cut any ice with me.

Miasms are your genetic susceptibility to chronic disease if you like and it is extremely useful to analyse cases miasmatically too, so you can see what patients' have tendencies towards.

That is another secteric interpretation. Certainly not kosher homeopathy. As such, it is even less supported than basic Hahnemannian teachings which do, after all, build on a set of opbservations.

There is a very good discussion taking place at present on Hpathy between fitness1st and Dr Leela. You would all benefit from reading her postings. They are full of good information about homeopathy from a practitioner of at least 15 years standing.

No, because you cannot learn facts from unsuppoerted claims.

Hans
 
You still have posting rights at Hpathy don't you?

Why not go along and join in the discussion? Dr Leela is great at explaining things and she has a wealth of experience in practice as a homeopathic doctor.

Sankaran has done a lot of writing on miasms over the years and he would say that there are a lot more miasms in existence today than the original three. Sankaran is always worth a read and has written some lovely books including The Soul of Remedies, the Spirit of Homeopathy and The Substance of Homeopathy. Sankaran is one homeopath who has helped to move homeopathy forward and has brought it into the 21st Century.
 
Yes, I still (or again) have posting rights, but I'd loose them really quick if I went down that alley :rolleyes:.

Do you really not understand the probem? Leela (or anybody else) can explain all they will, and actually, I already have a rather comprehensive understanding of the homeopathic paradigm, but IT WOULD MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.

It is not more details about the doctrines I am interested in, it is the basic thing: Can you show that it works at all? If you cannot, why should I want to learn more details?

Hans
 
It looks that non-consideration/differanciation of individuals & medicines as per constitutions or miasms can be a weak point of modern system. All individuals can't be same, so same medicines can't suit similarily to all individuals. I think every other system has some constitutional base.
 
Kumar said:
It looks that non-consideration/differanciation of individuals & medicines as per constitutions or miasms can be a weak point of modern system. All individuals can't be same, so same medicines can't suit similarily to all individuals. I think every other system has some constitutional base.
I do agree that modern medicine needs to rediscover the whole patient. Back around the beginning of the 20th century, modern medicine had precious few usable tools, but it still treated patients as whole persons. Then came the great discoveries of the causes and cures for many diseases, and medicine became preoccupied with pinpointing individual diseases, and attacking their causes.

Only recently has scientific medicine begun to rediscover it's main goal: To make the patient well, not just free of disease.

A system like homeopathy has retained the holistic view of the patient, but unfortunately lacks useful tools of cure. A combination of the homeopathic holistic view, and the powerful tools of scientific medicine, seems, IMHO, the ideal system.

Hans
 
I'm not sure what you mean. What do you expect a doctor to do that they typically don't? I have yet to go to a doctor who failed to give me lifestyle advice for the sake of improved health and disease prevention, for example.

And what is it homeopaths do that's "holistic," other than applying the word to themselves?
 
MRC_Hans said:
Only recently has scientific medicine begun to rediscover it's main goal: To make the patient well, not just free of disease.

Hans

recently - when? I have never EVER been to an MD (for myself or my kids) and have been given any lifestyle advice, diet advice, anything. That includes my gastro docs - you'd think at least they would have someting to say about diet and stress, but nope, nada. Tests and pills - that is it. They have their place but they will not make one well. Truly well.
 
Zombified said:
I'm not sure what you mean. What do you expect a doctor to do that they typically don't? I have yet to go to a doctor who failed to give me lifestyle advice for the sake of improved health and disease prevention, for example.

And what is it homeopaths do that's "holistic," other than applying the word to themselves?

zombie - youmust have some very unique doctors.

Homeopathic medicine is in itself holistic because it takes the entire person into consideration when determining treatment. We look to the persons physical, mental and emotional state. Also, Hahnemann was very clear about proper nutrition, excercise, sleep and hygiene. We are to making recommendatiosn regarding these factors as well when seeing a client. Along with that, we need to be looking at the maintaining cause of diease (Hahnemann also discusses this in the Organon) and how this must be treated.
 
Barbrae said:
zombie - youmust have some very unique doctors.
Well, I didn't do anything special to find them. The latest one I just picked from on the health plan web page at my company.

Also, Hahnemann was very clear about proper nutrition, excercise, sleep and hygiene.
Let me be clear: the normal, standard, "evidence-based/allopathic" doctors I'm talking about were all concerned about my nutrition, how much exercise I got, stress, etc, etc.

What's funny (in a sad way) is most of the doctors I've talked to seem to feel like nobody listens to them about that stuff until they get really sick.

We look to the persons physical, mental and emotional state.
Can you give an example of something homeopaths do here that you think doctors don't? Again (I've rearranged your quote a bit) I think most doctors look at the things you mentioned already.

Thanks.
 
Barbrae said:
I have never EVER been to an MD (for myself or my kids) and have been given any lifestyle advice, diet advice, anything. That includes my gastro docs - you'd think at least they would have someting to say about diet and stress, but nope, nada. Tests and pills - that is it.
I am honestly surprised to read this, because as I posted above, my own experience is quite a bit different.

Confirmation bias, maybe? (And I'm attributing this to both of us, not just you.)
 
Barbrae said:
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Homeopathic medicine is in itself holistic because it takes the entire person into consideration when determining treatment. We look to the persons physical, mental and emotional state.

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I've often read this about many non-proven medical treatments. I'm very curious about a few things your statement rises:

1) How do you actually "look to" a persons physical state? For instance do you take their blood pressure and test their reflexes, do you examine their abdomen if complaining of stomach problems, do you examine their rectum if they state they are having problems passing a stool? In other words what does, in specific terms, it mean when you say you "look to" one of your customer's physical state?

2)The same with mental state. What test(s) do you use to assess this? Can you provide me with details of the questions you ask, how the responses are correlated and how causation is established? For instance if I come to you and say "I've not been able to concentrate very well", what is the diagnostic system you use to work out the probably cause of my inability to concentrate?

3) What distinguishes "mental" from "emotional"?
 
If you were not so childish, then you might start to get some proper answers to your questions.
 

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