Homeless Solution

[lyghtningbyrd]

I got the idea the other day when I drove by this enormous castle of a church in the rich part of my city. It has this huge front side that reaches a height of at least 150 feet, and it is about as wide, I believe. The entire front wall is stained glass. I'm pretty sure it had to cost around half a million or so...can you imagine where all that money could go?

At first I wanted to burn it to the ground, but I guess that's just as unproductive...

 

[Guest]

Dear lyghtningbyrd,

I'm pretty sure it had to cost around half a million or so...can you imagine where all that money could go?

I believe you know someone who has $1 million dollars, not just a pathetic half-million.

Excuses away,
Sincerely yours,

S.H.

 

[Kimpatsu]

Dear lyghtningbyrd,



I believe you know someone who has $1 million dollars, not just a pathetic half-million.

Excuses away,
Sincerely yours,

S.H. [/B]

Why don't you prove the existence of your god, claim the $1 million, and use it to house the Australian homeless?

 

[c4ts]

I got the idea the other day when I drove by this enormous castle of a church in the rich part of my city. It has this huge front side that reaches a height of at least 150 feet, and it is about as wide, I believe. The entire front wall is stained glass. I'm pretty sure it had to cost around half a million or so...can you imagine where all that money could go?

At first I wanted to burn it to the ground, but I guess that's just as unproductive...

Sounds like an insult to architecture. If I were God I'd strike it down and send everybody home speaking a different language.

 

[lyghtningbyrd]

I don't know James Randi... and its not his money... also, no one is going to win that challenge - that's the point

blsadjbfijaweb;o

 

[Thanz]

Around here, the churches do run an "out of the cold" program offering shelter and meals to the homeless. Christian organiztions such as the Salvation Army also do a lot of work for the homeless.

How much do athiests do? Where are the "there is no god" shelters? Why doesn't each athiest just invite one into their home?

 

[Dancing David]

gee Thanz is it your church?
lots of atheists give money to cause and a lot of Xian hide thier lack of charity by pointing to the two or three churches that do help. Funny in my town it is the gospel based churches and the salvation Army, we have an active YMCA but no sign of the 'mainstream' churches.(Actualy the episcopalians give a sack lunch, the UUs host the refugee center)
Basically most churches just don't give a crap. I know i am involved in social services, they would rather go on a ski trip then help thier fellow man.

Peace

 

[Torment]

Around here, the churches do run an "out of the cold" program offering shelter and meals to the homeless. Christian organiztions such as the Salvation Army also do a lot of work for the homeless.

How much do athiests do? Where are the "there is no god" shelters? Why doesn't each athiest just invite one into their home?

The point is hypocracy my friend.

I quite frankly don't care about most other people, especially the homeless.

I admit it, I am not ashamed of it, and based on my own personal set of morals I see nothing wrong with it.

Christianity has so much about helping others, but when it comes down to it most of the followers are as greedy and uncaring as me, only their beliefs tell them not to be and they often are oblivious to these teachings.

I can't respect any establishment that says one thing, and actually believes it, then goes out and does something completely opposite of it.

If the churches would just come out and say they don't care about homeless or needy people and aren't going to make any real sacrifices to help them, I wouldn't care one bit.

 

[Thanz]

gee Thanz is it your church?

As a matter of fact, yes. Anglican (which I believe is the equivalent of Episcopalian in the US).

lots of atheists give money to cause and a lot of Xian hide thier lack of charity by pointing to the two or three churches that do help. Funny in my town it is the gospel based churches and the salvation Army, we have an active YMCA but no sign of the 'mainstream' churches.(Actualy the episcopalians give a sack lunch, the UUs host the refugee center)
Basically most churches just don't give a crap. I know i am involved in social services, they would rather go on a ski trip then help thier fellow man.

Peace

Do you have anything to back this up? Claims like "most churches don't give a crap" are quite broad and, in my experience, simply false. Granted, my experience is limited to Catholic and Anglican church communities, but I'd wager I have more direct experience with whether "churches give a crap" than most athiests. I'd be especially interested in any information that you may have that would indicate that athiests actually give more to the poor than Christians.

 

[Thanz]

Christianity has so much about helping others, but when it comes down to it most of the followers are as greedy and uncaring as me, only their beliefs tell them not to be and they often are oblivious to these teachings.

I can't respect any establishment that says one thing, and actually believes it, then goes out and does something completely opposite of it.

If the churches would just come out and say they don't care about homeless or needy people and aren't going to make any real sacrifices to help them, I wouldn't care one bit.

Where is the evidence for this? For any of it? lyghtningbyrd posted a rant against Churches in favour of the homeless. I'd be interested in knowing if he (?) puts his money where his mouth is and actually helps the homeless himself.

 

[Torment]

Where is the evidence for this? For any of it? lyghtningbyrd posted a rant against Churches in favour of the homeless. I'd be interested in knowing if he (?) puts his money where his mouth is and actually helps the homeless himself.

If you REALLY REALLY want, I am sure I can get you many pictures of Churches 10 times as big as they need to be, with very expense paintings and glass all over them.

I can also probably find at least 2 priests just in my area that have 2 cars, and a house larger then my own.

Honestly, if I did a survey asking Christians if they donate a decent portion of thier income consistently to help others, how many would say they do?

Heck, how many do you honestly think would even say they have donated anything beyond a few dollars or some chump change to the collection plate every week?

I'm not saying they all are like this, or that their aren't any churches or theists who do this. Just that the large majority don't.

I don't know about lightningdude or however he spells it, but if he really cares about homeless people and doesn't donate to them he is no better then the churches he rants against.

 

[lyghtningbyrd]

Well, I don't really care about homeless people, unless their misery is waved in my face, because I'm self-centered like everyone else.

I do like to solve problems though. And by disestablishing the church, I think I can solve 2: Homelessness and Religion.

FYI - I once gave a homeless man a bottle of orange flavored Mad Dog 20/20, of which he graciously accepted, so don't point your finger at me mister...

 

[lyghtningbyrd]

I don't know about lightningdude or however he spells it, but if he really cares about homeless people and doesn't donate to them he is no better then the churches he rants against.

It's lyghtningbyrd. My username is lyghtningbyrd. I apoligize for any confusion this has caused you.

 

[Torment]

It's lyghtningbyrd. My username is lyghtningbyrd. I apoligize for any confusion this has caused you.

I think it's the y's that threw me off. That and the fact that I was too lazy to scroll up and check how it was spelt.

 

[Guest]

Dear Torment,

I am sure I can get you many pictures of Churches 10 times as big as they need to be, with very expense paintings and glass all over them.

Let's look at Bill Gates' stuff.

Let's look at Randi's car.

Let's look at CSICOP's constant asking for money.

The money angle really isn't compelling in the slightest.

I'm not saying they all are like this, or that their aren't any churches or theists who do this. Just that the large majority don't.

I'd like to see some actual numbers. Let's count the atheist organizations who donate time, money, clothing, shelter, food, etc.

Sincerely,

S. H.

 

[Torment]

Dear Torment,



Let's look at Bill Gates' stuff.

Let's look at Randi's car.

Let's look at CSICOP's constant asking for money.

The money angle really isn't compelling in the slightest.

[/b]

I'd like to see some actual numbers. Let's count the atheist organizations who donate time, money, clothing, shelter, food, etc.

Sincerely,

S. H. [/B]

Dear Mr. Holmes

If you had read some of my previous posts you might have noted that I don't care about the poor. I don't care that the Churches don't care either.

What I do care about is that they claim they do, yet they don't.

I have no problem with organizations keeping their money all for themselves and wasting it on useless things, so long as they don't try to claim that they do care about the needy and poor.

It's like that saying "don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining".

That is all that bothers me about it.

Sincerely,

Torment

 

[lyghtningbyrd]

Dear Torment,



Let's look at Bill Gates' stuff.

Let's look at Randi's car.

Let's look at CSICOP's constant asking for money.

The money angle really isn't compelling in the slightest.

[/b]

I'd like to see some actual numbers. Let's count the atheist organizations who donate time, money, clothing, shelter, food, etc.

Sincerely,

S. H. [/B]

I gave statistics. You can look them up yourself. Where are yours? Oh, I guess I forgot that religious people don't need them to assert truths.

 

[neutrino_cannon]

Let's count the atheist organizations who donate time, money, clothing, shelter, food, etc.

While not atheist there are plenty of secular institutions and organizations that have done significant good to the world, little things like say, eradicating smallpox and stopping WW3. (WHO and UN respectivly)

 

[GrapeJ713]

Seems to me xians usually do what is easiest when it comes to helping people. It would be a lot of WORK to help all the crazy, drug and alcohol addicted homeless people in North America. Look at abortion, it's a lot easier to protest and whine about all the abortions in the world then to actually help babies that actually get born and live in poverty because of thier stupid teen age mom. They just love fetuses, but they really don't give a crap about the kids that don't get aborted. Instead of spending all that time, energy and money trying to protect fetuses. Just imagine if that went into buying birth control so 90% of the unwanted pregnancies didn't happen in the first place. And they could give free child care for the rest of the single moms so they could go to school and get a decent job instead of living in poverty like most single mother families.

 

[Guest]

Dear lyghtningbyrd,

Oh, I guess I forgot that religious people don't need them to assert truths.

Could you please find where I specifically stated that I was religious? Otherwise, you are probably simply assuming out of your own bias, like Kimpatsu for example.

Sincerely,

S. H.