historical jesus

[sackett]

Thank you, Zero

. . . showing a historical Josh doesn't do a thing for the Christian mythology, does it?

Thank you, Zero, for stating what I thought must surely already be a given.

I'm sticking to my guns on religions always having their origin with some particular individual. How else would they arise?

The cult of Vishnu? Started with the fever-dreams of some long-ago proto-Hindu who convinced somebody else that his delusion was reality; happens all the time.

I suspect that starting a cult is fairly easy, but setting it up as a going concern is more difficult, and is not likely to be solely -- if at all -- the work of the original prophet. Christianism supposedly had St. Peter; Mormonism unquestionably had Brigham Young (a no-nonsense businessman and politician who only had one "vision" in his life: the necessity to tithe was revealed unto him, and guess who was the anointed banker).

Hell's fire, if a creep like Jim Jones could found a cult, why couldn't Jesus H.?

 

[Zero]

Re: Thank you, Zero

Thank you, Zero, for stating what I thought must surely already be a given.

I'm sticking to my guns on religions always having their origin with some particular individual. How else would they arise?

The cult of Vishnu? Started with the fever-dreams of some long-ago proto-Hindu who convinced somebody else that his delusion was reality; happens all the time.

I suspect that starting a cult is fairly easy, but setting it up as a going concern is more difficult, and is not likely to be solely -- if at all -- the work of the original prophet. Christianism supposedly had St. Peter; Mormonism unquestionably had Brigham Young (a no-nonsense businessman and politician who only had one "vision" in his life: the necessity to tithe was revealed unto him, and guess who was the anointed banker).

Hell's fire, if a creep like Jim Jones could found a cult, why couldn't Jesus H.?

Well, Christianity was really founded by Paul, AFAIK, because his letters pretty much set the ground rules for the scam.

 

[ReasonableDoubt]

Re: Thank you, Zero

I'm sticking to my guns on religions always having their origin with some particular individual. How else would they arise?

For a start, you could try to be at least minimally honest.

You did not say: 'Christianity had its origin with some particular individual.' Such a statement is so inane as to be worthless.

What you did say was:

• Religions have to start with somebody, so the existence of a Jesus is pretty likely

Presumably you're smart enough to understand the difference bewteen these two arguments - the first insipid and the second stupid.

 

[Bottle or the Gun]

Re: Re: Thank you, Zero

Originally posted by Sackett

Religions have to start with somebody, so the existence of a Jesus is pretty likely

Idiots had to start somewhere, so the existence of you is pretty likely.

 

[sackett]

Touchy!

My but people's toes are easy to step on! Some of us are wearing Jesus boots* even in March.

I don't give a pinch of sour owl-popp if somebody actually named Yeshua ever lived or not, but since gods only exist inside people's heads (I mean that literally), a sect -must- have its origins with some one person.

Or how do religions originate? Any theories?

* Deplorable old hippie slang for sandals.

 

[ReasonableDoubt]

Re: Re: Re: Thank you, Zero

Idiots had to start somewhere, so the existence of you is pretty likely.

Grow up.

 

[pgwenthold]

Re: Thank you, Zero

I'm sticking to my guns on religions always having their origin with some particular individual. How else would they arise?

I don't know anyone who has doubted the existence of Paul, so, I suppose this statement is valid. As has been noted, if you want to credit someone with the "origin" of christianity, he's the guy.

Not sure what this has to do with the historicity or whatever of Jesus, though.

 

[ReasonableDoubt]

Re: Touchy!

I don't give a pinch of sour owl-popp if somebody actually named Yeshua ever lived or not, ...

Then why do you make claims on the subject?

..., a sect -must- have its origins with some one person.

How does this make the existence of a Jesus pretty likely? Have you ever read anything by those who reject an historical Jesus? Have you read Doherty, for example?